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Posted By: <b>David Vargha</b><p>And love to bag on PSA . . . here's a classic SGC card from the early days. EX/MT my eye! The back is even worse.<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16269&item=5192079 098&rd=1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16269&item=5192079 098&rd=1</a><br><br>DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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Posted By: <b>anonymousdave</b><p>..with never did.<br /><br />Some of the very first grading that SGC did when Merkle was there is pretty sloppy.<br /><br />I don't think SGC would deny that.<br />They've matured a great deal since.<br /><br />edited to say:<br />Not a defense...just an observation.

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Posted By: <b>David Vargha</b><p>Personally, I like both services. However I'm not too fond of one their presidents.<br><br>DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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Posted By: <b>Jay Miller</b><p>The SGC 98 Alcott N172 is a prime example. The back is completely tobacco stained and I doubt it could get an SGC 60 today.

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Posted By: <b>Judge Dred</b><p>Jay, is there a picture of the Alcott available to see?

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Posted By: <b>Jay Miller</b><p>A scan of the front used to be available on the BMW web site. The front looks great. It is the back that is stained and I have never seen a scan of that posted.

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>I think this is it.<br /><br /><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/smileys/websize/1887alcott.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Tony Conte</b><p>Vargha,<br /><br /><br />Nevermind.....

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>the back looks better than the front because it is borderless. Of course, the top edge of the front is borderless too <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />No one says they are infallible, just better than the rest.

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>the PSA 6 SF Hess in REA had a nice tobacco stain on the front.

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Posted By: <b>Scott Forrest</b><p>How did you know we were thinking that !?!?!

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Posted By: <b>David Vargha</b><p>But that's "Vargha-Kreskin". You left out both the "h" and the hyphen.<br><br>DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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Posted By: <b>WP</b><p>How long would this thread be if all of the psa problems were posted?

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Posted By: <b>Scott Forrest</b><p>This is an SGC-bashing thread - please, let's stay on the thread topic!!!!!

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Posted By: <b>David Vargha</b><p>It would probably be longer for two reasons:<br /><br />1. The anti-PSA sentiment runs extremely high on this board.<br /><br />2. PSA has graded a crap load of card compared to SGC.<br /><br />I just find it amusing that there is this almost childlike embracing of certain entities by some people as if they are all good or all bad. The same reasoning process that is used in making rational discernment in everyday life often gets tossed out the window in issues that become overly-emotional for some. It's as humorous as listening to homers rant about the virtues of their particular sports team.<br><br>DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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Posted By: <b>David Vargha</b><p>You, too miss the point. I like SGC. I have submitted to them in the past and will do so in the future. I just don't attach godlike status to any organization that is run by humans.<br><br>DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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Posted By: <b>Scott Forrest</b><p>"projection".<br /><br />&lt;&lt;this almost childlike embracing of certain entities by some people as if they are all good or all bad. &gt;&gt;<br /><br />Don't start a thread with your own agenda, then presume to get into our heads.

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Posted By: <b>David Vargha</b><p>But since I didn't mention any names and you feel so compelled to answer, consider yourself already identified.<br><br>DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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Posted By: <b>WP</b><p>So David what do you think of Joe "PSAPRES" Orlando?

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Posted By: <b>David Vargha</b><p>I've said it before. IMO, Joe Orlando is an empty suit. He has obfuscated the truth on several issues with PSA; most notably WIWAG, the Rose Rookie and Dan's card. I think that he is bad for PSA and card collecting.<br><br>DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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Posted By: <b>john/z28jd</b><p>Heres a new form of a psa mistake,i personally have nothing against them but i didnt want to start a new thread for this card.This is their version of correcting a spelling problem that never happened.It appears that the makers of the t206s wanted to spell Pryor McElveen's name wrong but they didnt.PSA knew that and labeled this card as such<br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31718&item=5192574 623&rd=1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31718&item=5192574 623&rd=1</a>

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Posted By: <b>Scott Forrest</b><p>David - why not try starting a thread to generate some positive discussion about vintage baseball? It's obvious that you are really into witty rebuttals, but we're here to discuss vintage baseball. <br /><br />In any case, I should have known better than to open a "David Vargha" thread - from this point forward you can argue with yourself...as I'm sure you do often.<br /><br />Adios.

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Posted By: <b>BCD</b><p>believe me-if you talked to David on the phone for an hour you would enjoy the guy here after and think well of him.It seems this is the case with a lot of people none of us have met face to face. He is really a good guy!

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Posted By: <b>MW</b><p><br>

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Posted By: <b>BCD</b><p>Mikey! is that you??? Can I post this on the CU chat board under the handle "carbohydrate man" ???<br /><br />guess I will go look over there to see if you are of course presently clocked in!

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>The Baseball Card HOF came in at 53% good 47% evil. <br /><br />Jay<br><br>I like to sit outside drink beer and yell at people. If I did this at home I would be arrested, so I go to baseball games and fit right in.

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Posted By: <b>Ryan Christoff</b><p>Current results not including this post:<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://homokaasu.org/gematriculator/?referer" target="_blank"><img src="http://homokaasu.org/pics/g/e41.jpg" width="175" height="80" alt="This site is certified 41% EVIL by the Gematriculator" /></a><br /><br /><a href="http://homokaasu.org/gematriculator/?referer" target="_blank"><img src="http://homokaasu.org/pics/g/g59.jpg" width="175" height="80" alt="This site is certified 59% GOOD by the Gematriculator" /></a>

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Posted By: <b>BCD</b><p> <br /><br />Scott Forrest<br />(Login runscott)<br />another "Vargha" thread of wisdom...notMay 2 2005, 12:45 AM <br /><br />David - why not try starting a thread to generate some positive discussion about vintage baseball? It's obvious that you are really into witty rebuttals, but we're here to discuss vintage baseball.<br /><br />In any case, I should have known better than to open a "David Vargha" thread - from this point forward you can argue with yourself...as I'm sure you do often.<br /><br />Adios.<br /><br /> <br /> <br />BCD<br />(Login BCDaniels)<br />ScottMay 2 2005, 1:19 AM <br /><br />believe me-if you talked to David on the phone for an hour you would enjoy the guy here after and think well of him.It seems this is the case with a lot of people none of us have met face to face. He is really a good guy!<br /><br /> <br /> <br /><br />MW<br />(Login hobby_stump)<br />Que es veritas?May 2 2005, 1:30 AM <br /><br />"I just find it amusing that there is this almost childlike embracing of certain entities by some people as if they are all good or all bad."<br /><br /><br />Sorry David, but I just can't let this sort of pedantic rhetoric go unchallenged. In reality, SGC (Sportscard Guaranty, LLC) is 99% good and only 1% evil while PSA (Professional Sportscard Authenticator) is a mere 86% good and (should this be a surprise to anyone?) 14% evil.<br /><br />See for yourself -- <a href="http://homokaasu.org/gematriculator" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://homokaasu.org/gematriculator</a>/<br /><br />Next time, please do the research before committing yourself to such imprecise and reckless verbal abandon.<br /><br /> <br /> <br />BCD<br />(Login BCDaniels)<br />erat est opugnio?May 2 2005, 1:34 AM <br /><br />Mikey! is that you??? Can I post this on the CU chat board under the handle "carbohydrate man" ???<br /><br />guess I will go look over there to see if you are of course presently clocked in!<br /><br /><a href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/vaticanpopegermany" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/vaticanpopegermany</a><br /> <br />Cakeman-did you bid on this??????<br /><br /><br /> <br />

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Posted By: <b>Jim Crandell</b><p>I think SGC cards need to be looked at in two categories--Joe Merkel and prior and Derek and post Derek. I had some old SBC and SGC cards that were auction-house material and every company I approached(Lelands, Mile High, and others) said I would need to have them regraded by SGC. Some achieved their old grades, some did not, one was not deemed gradable.<br /><br />