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Posted By: <b>bruce Dorskind</b><p>Perhaps, we can help<br><br>We are amongst the world's leading collectors of ultra rare high grade type cards.<br>As collectors, not dealers, and not re-sellers, we are able to pay market<br>prices for the extraordinary pieces we seek to add to our museum quality<br>collection.<br><br>Currently we need ultra high grade examples (non Hall of Famers preferred) <br><br>e 98- psa 7 and above<br>e 99<br>e 103 Williams<br>e 104<br>e105 Mello Mint (not Bescher)<br>e 106<br><br>T 208 Fireside<br>T 209- Color- PSA 7 and above<br>T 216 Kotton<br><br>Derby Chocoloate Box<br>Hollings Creamery<br>Lections<br><br><br>Please write in strict confidence<br><br>Bdorskind@dorskindgroup.com<br>< br><br><br>Bruce Dorskind<br>America's Toughest Want List

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Do you mean Holland Creameries?

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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>Hi Bruce,<br><br>If I have the cards that you're asking for I'm sitting here wondering why I should be motivated to sell to you rather than sell them at auction or to someone that is willing to pay above market for these rare items?<br><br>You're only offering &quot;market rate&quot;. That's not a very attractive offer considering anybody can get the &quot;market rate&quot; just about any time they want. Besides the fact that the market rate probably stinks right now as compared to what most people probably paid to buy these cards in the first place. It is in my case anyway. I'm not even sure what one might call a &quot;market rate&quot; for cards that are this hard to come by?<br><br>Anyway, I'm just wondering if I'm misinterpreting why I should give you the chance to buy my cards rather than go in a different direction?<br><br>Thanks for your answer.<br><br>Tom

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Posted By: <b>bruce Dorskind</b><p><br><br>Dear Tom<br><br>Whilst you raise a valid point, if you go to auction you lose 27.%<br><br>The 10% consignors fee that most firms charge and the 17,5% to 20% buyers fee<br><br>If the market value is $1000 and we pay you $1000<br><br>let's say in auction the same card goes for $1000 + the consignment fee<br>the you get to keep $900 but the seller has to pay $1175.00 and the auction house<br>grosses $275<br><br>We pay immediately - auction house on average you have to wait 90 days between<br>time you consign and time you get paid---prices are fallen and uncertain at best<br><br>choice, of course is yours<br><br>On another note, Mr. Sloate, we stand corrected- we made a rare error it should have<br>been Holland Creameries<br><br>Thanks<br><br>Bruce Dorskind<br>America's Toughest Want List

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Posted By: <b>Robert Dixon</b><p>This eats at me every time you post, so I'm going to ask: <br>Why do you always refer to yourself as we? I'm sure that you're referring to yourself and others, but you don't have to drag them into all of our correspondence. If you say &quot;I&quot; instead of we, we (everyone who reads this board)can just assume that some other people you know share the same opinion.<br>

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Posted By: <b>Mark L</b><p>I wish that people weren't so darned sensitive about how a few of the people here write or present themselves. This is the b/s/t. Let's leave it at that.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Koteles</b><p>if it is the right card, he will pay for it w/ no problem.

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Posted By: <b>Robert Dixon</b><p>You're right. I was worried that my sarcasm would be perceived as bitterness or something of the sort. I was only joking around. I really don't care how Bruce presents themselves.

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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>I see your point on the 17.5% but not on the other 10%. I don't know many consignors that pay the 10% and I know I have never paid it. I guess those that want to sell will have to be the judge because it all comes down to what you consider the &quot;market rate&quot; to be. The 17.5% won't mean much if that rate can't be agreed.

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Posted By: <b>Rhys</b><p>I dont mind Bruce and have done some transactions with him the past so this comment is for informational purposes only and in no way attacking him. However, if you have an ultra high grade card from one of those sets, not only are you talking 0% consigners fee, but you can negotiate a cut off the buyers end as well with many auction houses so you should end up with maybe 10%-12% total off the sales price with 5% or so of the buyers premium coming back into your pocket. So instead of a 27% theoritical &quot;cut&quot; off your cards calue, the reality is more like 10%-12% or even more depending on the card itself and the value of it.<br><br>Rhys Yeakley

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Posted By: <b>BcD</b><p>if its &quot;the right card&quot; you wont be paying any consignment fee either!<br><br>BcD <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif">

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Posted By: <b>J Levine</b><p>And just to be clear...even though Bruce will pay market price, you are limiting yourself to one buyer here. Often large auction houses attract people that this board does not. If it is the right card and rare enough, a bigger auction house might be the way to go to get more exposure and competition. Remember, Bruce is bidding against himself here...in an auction you may have two whales bid up the card higher than Bruce is offering and your 10-15% will not matter.<br><br>Joshua

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>what's the market price for high grade T208 commons these days?

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Dave- how can there be a market price on something that never comes to market? I doubt this is considered high grade but even it would probably be close to 10k...<br><br><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1237819830.JPG" alt="[linked image]">

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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>Thanks guys for helping to make my point. The only way to know the market rate for the cards Bruce is asking for is to put the items up for bid.<br><br>So really Bruce should be offering to blow people away with offers they couldn't refuse if he expects anyone to sell such rare items straight to him. Regardless of the 0-15% he &quot;might&quot; save them. I know I'd take my chances going to market anyday of the week.

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Posted By: <b>Ted Sherman</b><p>I was under the impression he had a mouse in his pocket

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Posted By: <b>Shawn</b><p>Bruce, there is a Lections HOF'er on eBay right now being sold by a board member. It is an SGC 30...which is clearly fairly high condition for this issue...I look forward to seeing it posted in the next pickup thread by yourself and or you guys.