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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I almost didn't want to bring it up because it is such an everyday occurence but this is really good...all these reprints at pretty loft levels? <BR><BR><a href="http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=feldman 234&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25" target=_new>http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=feldman 234&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25</a>

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Posted By: <b>Ben</b><p>...and you know that half of those cards will reappear some time in the future without any mention of the word "reprint". <BR><BR>A pretty good buy if they are eventually going to be resold to some sucker for $500+

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>...and put them on your "kick me in the ass if I bid on this guy's auctions" list.<br><br>

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Posted By: <b>T206Monsta</b><p>Why would anyone buy any of this sellers' lots without the intention of trying to decieve others in the future. It's a shame because they'll sell all of them to unsuspecting buyers. Especially when they're in those good looking PRO holders.

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Posted By: <b>leonl</b><p>here are the completed auctions......makes me sick........not sure how many legit buyers there were but there were numerous shills from the same ebay names......<BR><BR><a href="http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&user id=feldman234&include=0&since=2&sort=3&rows=25" target=_new>http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&user id=feldman234&include=0&since=2&sort=3&rows=25</a>

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Posted By: <b>TBob</b><p>nm

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "garth feldman" &lt;gfeldma1@san.rr.com&gt;<BR>To: &lt;runscott@bellsouth.net&gt;<BR>Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 3:48 PM<BR>Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #1837239919<BR><BR><BR>&gt; yes i have and i have no more cards to sell i had 3 cobbs and a ray demmitt<BR>&gt; and they are gone check my feedback i have a very good rep here on ebay<BR>&gt; ----- Original Message -----<BR>&gt; From: &lt;runscott@bellsouth.net&gt;<BR>&gt; To: &lt;gfeldma1@san.rr.com&gt;<BR>&gt; Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 11:15 AM<BR>&gt; Subject: Question for seller -- Item #1837239919<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; So far you are doing quite well selling these "cause it just might be an<BR>&gt; old reprint". Have you ever tried selling REAL cards? It's very easy, can<BR>&gt; be profitable, and it's a lot of fun.<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; Scott<BR><br><br>

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Posted By: <b>TBob</b><p>yes i have and i have no more cards to sell i had 3 cobbs and a ray demmitt<BR>&gt; and they are gone&gt;<BR><BR>Antone notice all the demmitts on ebay lately...

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>I turned this puke in (feldman) and received the usual generic blow off message of not enough evidence!

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Posted By: <b>Bruce Moreland</b><p>Which auctions were supposedly shilled by who? There were several low FB but they looked legit enough.<BR><BR>eBay shouldn't allow people to sell counterfeits.<BR><BR>I bought a Jordan counterfeit so I could write about it for my web page, and I was flooded with spam offering to sell me more, in quantity.<BR><BR>Does anyone have evidence that PRO grades counterfeits? Does anyone HAVE a counterfeit card in a PRO holder?<BR><BR>I'll offer a bounty of $20 for one.<BR><BR>bruce<BR>

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Sorry folks I jumped to a probable false conclusion. Since all of the people were the same ones bidding in all of the auctions from this seller I thought it was obvious. After going back and looking at each auction they ALL SAY REPLICA. The drtooth guy with 1 feedback actually bought a $2500 '52 Mantle and paid for it and got his 1 positive feedback. My new conclusion is that these folks are stupid.....best regards

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>When he originally started selling these home-made cards, he put a disclaimer in the descriptions, indicating that the buyer had better beware: "cause it just might be an old reprint". <BR><BR>So now he has become a middle-man and lets his 1st-level buyers do the scamming - so what, the result is the same.

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Posted By: <b>kyle</b><p><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1975086967" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1975086967</a><BR><BR>I know the seller stated they were replicas, but if say the Gretzky's (most likely) show up later, how would one know they are reprints/fakes? The T206's are fairly obvious to a prewar collector, but how can one tell on something more modern involving a big name athlete?<BR>Wouldnt O-pee-chee have to label these reprints or were these just done in someones garage or small printing company??

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Posted By: <b>Albie O'Hanian</b><p>Kyle-The easiest and most obvious thing to look for on a real OPC Gretzky rookie is a yellow dot on his left shoulder. I have yet to see a reprint with this dot. <BR><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1974928463" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1974928463</a><BR><BR>

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Posted By: <b>David</b><p>For this and similar desirable singles, you should obtain some commons from the issue for direct comparison. You should obtain a blacklight to further the comparison (scientific yet easy way to compare cardstocks). It's not a crazy idea for a serious collector to keep a library of singles from various sets to be used for comparison. <BR><BR>Realize that, under direct comparison, a counterfeit will nearly always have one and usually more than one obvious difference from the original (gloss, thickness, fluorescence, other).

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Posted By: <b>kyle</b><p>Thanks for that info Albie and David!<BR>Albie the yellow dot on Gretzkys shoulder is a great way to identify the card immediatly, even if the image is a scan and not right in front of you for close inspection.<BR><BR>Albie how did you pick up on the yellow dot?