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Posted By: <b>TBob</b><p>1910-11 M116 Sp. Life Ch. Mathewson NrMT! <BR>Ebay Item # 1820547405 <BR>O.K. is a length of 2 9/16," instead of the always stated standard length of 2 3/4," patently altered (the old res ipsa loquitur) or is there so much size differential in cards in the set that it might be o.k. even though it is 3/16" short? Has anyone had PSA or SGC grade one which was about 1/8" inch or more (in this case)short? Just wondering...<BR>I promise this is the last one :-P<BR>

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>I left it out of the batch I sent to SGC because the McGraw was a little too long, and I don't know if they do comparisons.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Tbob, As I stated on my previous post I have an SGC 40 Matty-blue that is 2 5/8 and an SGC 92 Clarke-pastel that is 2 5/8, as well as a Conroy-ungraded that is 2 5/8 (which I just found in my stuff).........one of the graded ones is a 4-5 year old grade and the other is a newer grade.....I believe they do not have to be 2 3/4 as the SCD states.....if yours is 1/16 smaller than these AND has some other bad characteristic(s) I think you would want to be careful...I only have limited experience but that's my one cent worth...hope it helps...best regards..<BR><BR><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1018826805.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>I sent in a beautiful McGraw that measured 1/8" thin. I really think that size-wise this issue is all over the board. <BR><BR>Maybe since it was a newspaper company they saved money by ordering uncut sheets, then had the go-fers do the chopping for a few extra nickels.

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>if 2 5/8" passes muster with SGC, then both of my 'short' one should get graded then, and they should pull nice grades too.<BR><BR>Jay

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>If mine, ungraded and graded, are the same size I am not sure I would call them short.....maybe, as a lot of early 20th century issues are, there are different sizes from the mfg.....best regards..

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>scott saw my Abby. that thing is on the large size, and not knowing a lot about this set, I just assumed the 2 5/8" cards were trimmed. I am used to size variance on older cards, but nothing like that.<BR><BR>Jay

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Posted By: <b>Tim</b><p>If you have received the catalog for the Lipset auction, on the front page #4 item you will notice that the 6 pictured M116s that highlight the set up for auction size differently in the scan.

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>...but I won't spoil your fun - go look it up!

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Posted By: <b>TIK</b><p>M116's do have a little variance in length. I bought a group of about 100 M116's from a long time collector in DC. He had purchased these cards from a man that opened the packs (direct from Sporting News in 191?) in front of him. I have sold most of them ( I still have a couple of the wrappers)over the past 6 years but sent a group to PSA 2 years ago. I sent 10 cards, 3 came back as trimmed (ungradeable), (4) 8's and (3) 7's. I am always a little skeptical about grading services, specially when you the occasional trimmed old judge card receiving hi grades. <BR>Terry

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>Terry - sounds like the cards you submitted were actually "not within size guidelines", so why the heck can't PSA just say that?<BR><BR>Just for kicks, I sent an extra-large '60s Topps card in to SGC that had been cut from a sheet (all cards on the sheet were hand-cut). It came back as "evidence of trimming". (not complaining, just an FYI - Charlie had pre-warned me this would happen). I also sent a bunch of other cards with strange size variances (short t206's,thin m116 &t206's,short '34 WWG,etc) that didn't look trimmed to me - SGC appropriately graded every last one of them!