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Peter_Spaeth 11-13-2025 10:47 AM

Collectable lawsuit
 
https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...-collectibles/

Leon 11-13-2025 10:58 AM

Ponzi?
 
Well, it seemed like a good idea at the time. :eek:

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Peter_Spaeth 11-13-2025 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 2549806)
Well, it seemed like a good idea the time. :eek:

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Justin Cornett posted here for a while. Perhaps he will comment.

commishbob 11-13-2025 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2549807)
Justin Cornett posted here for a while. Perhaps he will comment.

PSA had a lengthy interview with him in 2018, before all this came about.

https://www.psacard.com/articles/articleview/9717/collector-profile-passionate-investor-interview-justin-cornett

brunswickreeves 11-13-2025 11:54 AM

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Yet another life lesson from the Simpsons…got more than bargained for.

Brent G. 11-13-2025 12:07 PM

Hard to imagine anything less satisfying than investing in a collectible you'll never touch ... except to then also get ripped off.

raulus 11-13-2025 12:19 PM

Definitely doesn't make me feel excited about anyone holding onto my stuff. Or buying a fractional interest in stuff, and hoping that the custodian will remain solvent and motivated to take good care of the stuff.

perezfan 11-13-2025 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by raulus (Post 2549815)
Definitely doesn't make me feel excited about anyone holding onto my stuff. Or buying a fractional interest in stuff, and hoping that the custodian will remain solvent and motivated to take good care of the stuff.

+1

BobbyStrawberry 11-13-2025 12:59 PM

Which is a worse "investing" idea - fractional collectible shares or NFTs?

steve B 11-13-2025 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry (Post 2549819)
Which is a worse "investing" idea - fractional collectible shares or NFTs?

Fractional shares in NFTs

raulus 11-13-2025 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by steve B (Post 2549821)
Fractional shares in NFTs

HA. Please, take my money!!!

G1911 11-13-2025 02:54 PM

I'm totally shocked it's ended up this way. Shocked!

Peter_Spaeth 11-13-2025 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911 (Post 2549837)
I'm totally shocked it's ended up this way. Shocked!

I mean, what could have gone wrong?

Peter_Spaeth 11-13-2025 03:09 PM

Wasn't it Even M. who started Collectable?

BobbyStrawberry 11-13-2025 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by steve B (Post 2549821)
Fractional shares in NFTs

Haha, well played. :D

Republicaninmass 11-13-2025 05:13 PM

It's hard to cheat and honest man

uniship 11-13-2025 05:19 PM

I got swept up in fractional Ownership for a while. Not crazy money like in this article - but a good $10k or so. Then about 8 months later i said “what the HELL am I doing”? So I dumped everything at about break even. For this exact reason.

Fred 11-13-2025 05:29 PM

Hey, anyone want to invest in a gold venture? Someone can create an investment fund for gold, then all the money people put in will go to buying that metal. Then in 5 years when things are looking good, everyone can start trying to collect on their investment.

Uh, I'll buy physical gold rather than invest in a potential scam. Same would be true for cards/memorabilia. Buy it to hold it. Not get ripped off down the line.

Does anybody know how much the memorabilia increased in value before this sham/scam was outed? Would it have netted a nice profit?

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notfast 11-13-2025 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2549842)
Wasn't it Even M. who started Collectable?

I believe it was Ezra Levine…who is now running another card venture called Mascot.

Peter_Spaeth 11-13-2025 05:41 PM

Looks like Even was an early investor.

You are here: Home / Business/Industry News / Sports Memorabilia Industry News / Collectable Raises Over $500,000 for New Sports Collectible Marketplace

Collectable Raises Over $500,000 for New Sports Collectible Marketplace
November 29, 2018 By Rich Mueller

Collectable, a Boston-based technology company that brings together historical and real-time pricing data from sports memorabilia auctions, has acquired seed funding to launch a new peer-to-peer marketplace.

Seed-round investors include Evan Mathis, a former Super Bowl champion NFL player and avid collector, Jason Epstein, co-founder of CastleRock REO, and Larry Richmond, founder of AVATAS Payment Solutions and a dealer of high-end sports and historical memorabilia.

taul166 11-13-2025 06:39 PM

Yes, it was started by Ezra Levine. At the time, he was on various panels and with a booth at the National touting the fractional model. They presented pretty slick investment talk and had a number of collectors, appraisers, etc. involved.

Keep in mind Joe Orlando worked there for a short while after leaving PSA, and before going to Heritage.

I am a pretty savvy investor with my money, but I have to admit I got caught up in the hoopla and invested several thousand dollars.

Exhibitman 11-13-2025 07:51 PM

I spoke to some collectors who were in negotiations to sell items to the company and quickly realized it was not a good business plan from the get-go. From my post in 2023:

"The deal structure to get these items overvalued most of them in the first place. They had to. The only way they lured owners of valuable items to go with them rather than sell with an AH was to give the seller a substantial cashout and a chunk of the float. It is the same thing that has brought down more than one auction venture: if the cash advance is too large and the item underperforms, good luck in getting the money back from the consignor.

The fractional interest model counted on a market for these shares that would generate commissions, but it turned out that people who like to trade baseball cards don’t like to trade shares in them. No one was trading. When prices stopped rapidly escalating on the securitized items, the nascent market for these shares locked up tighter than a bullfrog’s butt.

This is not to say that securitization cannot work and is not something that will be tried again. The securitization of cards was an interesting idea, just badly executed. The financial model was based on a bet on continuous and rapid price increases on the assets that would fuel both profitable sales and a vigorous trade of the shares on its internal market. When the pace of gains sputtered, the flaw in the model was revealed. There have been successful securitizations in other fields (notably, music catalogs) but those rely on an existing owned asset that generates income being turned out to investors, not on a flipping model of the asset itself. If a flipping model is to work the asset has to be obtained at an extreme discount to current market so that it can weather a lull or downturn. To go on the market and buy something in the hope it will soar and pay off quickly enough to keep the investors from forming a lynch mob, that would be a foolish and risky bet on a set of atypical circumstances. In other words, quintessentially American."

Another lesson to draw from this is that when the value of an investment is 100% a function of an asset's liquidation value, there has to be something done to prevent whoever controls the asset from using it or stealing it.

ruth-gehrig 11-13-2025 07:56 PM

Call me crazy but if I cannot single handedly own a physical item that I want all by myself I dont want it!:o

commishbob 11-13-2025 08:00 PM

They can call it whatever they want to, but that is not collecting.

Aquarian Sports Cards 11-13-2025 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ruth-gehrig (Post 2549893)
Call me crazy but if I cannot single handedly own a physical item that I want all by myself I dont want it!:o

So you don't own any stock?

Michael B 11-13-2025 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by notfast (Post 2549869)
I believe it was Ezra Levine…who is now running another card venture called Mascot.

I wonder if that one will also be a dog?

brianp-beme 11-14-2025 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael B (Post 2549906)
I wonder if that one will also be a dog?

It would then be suitable for the mascot of Mascot to be a dog.

Brian

slightlyrounded 11-14-2025 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman (Post 2549892)
I spoke to some collectors who were in negotiations to sell items to the company and quickly realized it was not a good business plan from the get-go. From my post in 2023:

"The deal structure to get these items overvalued most of them in the first place. They had to. The only way they lured owners of valuable items to go with them rather than sell with an AH was to give the seller a substantial cashout and a chunk of the float. It is the same thing that has brought down more than one auction venture: if the cash advance is too large and the item underperforms, good luck in getting the money back from the consignor.

The fractional interest model counted on a market for these shares that would generate commissions, but it turned out that people who like to trade baseball cards don’t like to trade shares in them. No one was trading. When prices stopped rapidly escalating on the securitized items, the nascent market for these shares locked up tighter than a bullfrog’s butt.

This is not to say that securitization cannot work and is not something that will be tried again. The securitization of cards was an interesting idea, just badly executed. The financial model was based on a bet on continuous and rapid price increases on the assets that would fuel both profitable sales and a vigorous trade of the shares on its internal market. When the pace of gains sputtered, the flaw in the model was revealed. There have been successful securitizations in other fields (notably, music catalogs) but those rely on an existing owned asset that generates income being turned out to investors, not on a flipping model of the asset itself. If a flipping model is to work the asset has to be obtained at an extreme discount to current market so that it can weather a lull or downturn. To go on the market and buy something in the hope it will soar and pay off quickly enough to keep the investors from forming a lynch mob, that would be a foolish and risky bet on a set of atypical circumstances. In other words, quintessentially American."

Another lesson to draw from this is that when the value of an investment is 100% a function of an asset's liquidation value, there has to be something done to prevent whoever controls the asset from using it or stealing it.

Thank you Adam - this is a great post and cuts to the chase: Because collectables don't throw off any cash there is no way fund their custody (absent ongoing trading commissions AND/OR realizing capital gains). And I'm sure that whatever Collectable's custody model was, it was anything but cheap.

Building in a monthly/yearly platform custody fee would have been the proper way to do this, although it would have made the 'investment' proposition a lot more stark.

Lorewalker 11-14-2025 12:20 PM

Wasn't Collectable the site that built up the value on the over graded Balt News Ruth? I think they sold around 1% of the card and got the valuation to 10 mil and unleashed it into the auction world. We all know what happened next for the winner and the losers.

ruth-gehrig 11-14-2025 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards (Post 2549902)
So you don't own any stock?

Key words you missed were "physical items"


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