Greg Morris Overgrading
 

Bought a card advertised as NM-MT+ and SGC just gave it a 3.5

No bueno

All opinions.

What did you think of the card? Did you think it was NM-MT as well, and is that why you sent it in to SGC?

Calculated risk and it did not pan out.

Butch Turner

At least they didn't give it a 2.5!

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Clearly you and the grader at Greg Morris must have missed a small wrinkle.

I bet Greg’s grade is closer to reality than SGCs.

That stinks, but maybe there's a gold sticker in your card's future.

let's see scans

Greg is very sensitive about his grading. Several years ago, I made a very mild
comment about one card I thought was a bit overgraded. Since then I have been banned from bidding on his site, which is a shame because I think he runs a clean operation and brings some nice raw cards to the market. I hope one day he will reinstate me.

Morris
 

How dare you question him !!

Let's hope FedEx doesn't ban you.

It happens. As posted some time ago, I had a gorgeous card that SGC weirdly graded a 4, resubmitted to PSA and it received a 9.

Then it gets personal.

Yes. And nothing but opinions. Not that it's at all rare for dealers to overgrade what they're selling anyway.

Precisely. Your opinion of your own cards is the only one that should count to you.

Indeed! Why did you need SGC's opinion? In fact why did you pay money you could have spent elsewhere for their opinion?

:confused:

Why bother to give him any further business if he's been a jerk to you? There are countless other dealers running clean operations who bring some nice raw cards to the market.

Incidentally, does Greg Morris post here? I wonder what his take here would be?

:confused:

Have you contacted Greg? Would seem an appropriate thing to do before complaining about his grading.

And/or a link to the listing

He tends to have pretty great scans on his auctions doesn't he?

"Pretty great" of course being only an opinion...

Yeah I think when you're bidding on his stuff listed as NM/MT or better, you really need to eyeball the scans carefully and come to your own conclusions. Of course even the best of photos sometimes fail to illustrate a bubble or other small surface inconsistency, so sometimes that is easier said than done.

Imagine what it was like pre-internet, hahahaha.

[QUOTE=Balticfox;2544047]Why bother to give him any further business if he's been a jerk to you? There are countless other dealers running clean operations who bring some nice raw cards to the market.

Incidentally, does Greg Morris post here? I wonder what his take here would be?

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Probably because I had some great, profitable deals with him before I was shown the door. And I wouldn't call Greg a jerk, just sensitive about his grading.

I haven’t boughten off him in a few years as I purchased a raw 1955 Topps Sandy Amoros RC advertised as ex or ex + and I picked it up for around $15. No biggie, but in hand it was clearly trimmed and bad. I mean how can you label it something like this. I guess on the same token the people he has working for him after looking at 10,000 or so cards a day or every few days are bound to let one slip or the inexperience of the worker perhaps.

Scans added

Snap it and try it again, never know.

My buddy bought this card raw at the National, graded first time, snapped it and sent it back to SGC for a second time. See next post for that result

Nice card!

:cool:

Pity it's entombed in a plastic slab though.

:(

I was going to say paper loss to the left of "LIFE," but a search shows that strip of white appears there regularly.

see here

Looks like you got a nice looking card for a nice price, why you would pay for an opinion on a $8 + tax card is beyond my scope of knowledge, except for your hope that you bought a lottery ticket, I suppose. What did the opinion cost you "all in"?

Doug "quitcherbitchin" Goodman



PS - you're big mistake was not buying the already opinioned 10 a week earlier (I can't get the link to work).

Did you see anything when you had the card in hand that would make you think SGC was right and Greg Morris was wrong?

That's a crazy nice 3.5.

Staring at the scans on the screen definitely makes this card seem like it should grade higher than 3.5.

But then again, it's always dangerous to try to grade cards based on scans on a screen, and there could always be stuff that isn't showing up in the scans.

Or maybe you just got the grader of death, and a little crack and resubmit will get you a more appropriate grade, assuming you can dodge that bullet the next time around.

Thanks for adding the pics Brian. The front looks Great the reverse has some noticeable toning. Looks like GM and SGC we’re a bit overzealous in opposite directions.
Searching eBay GM has sold a bunch of these recently including already graded PSA 7 - This day and age probably best to go after one’s already graded.

Am I the only one seeing the discoloration on the back? I think 2.5 is Harsh, but this card is visibly not "NM-MT+"

Just mentioned it in the post before yours - 5.5 would seem like a fair grade , of course TPGs being Inconsistent is an understatement

Definitely missed that, was honesty distracted by the photo! Agreed on the grade - definitely somewhere in "EX Land"

On my computer screen, it appears the back has uneven "blotches" of discoloration. It looks like dots spread out in a somewhat random pattern.

To my eye, it seems the back of that card has something known as "foxing" on it. That's a term very common to collectors of vintage comic books. Unfortunately, it's a form of mold.

If this is the case, I agree with the low "technical" grade of the card.

If I'm wrong, and the card is not speckled with spots, I apologize.

The back with some simple iPhone photo enhancements

Brilliance, exposure, brightness, contrast, etc. turned up slightly

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...6f62470106.jpg

Come on guys, let's address the opinion elephant in the room :

That card is cheaper to buy graded than to get graded, unless you've got a registry hard-on.

Everyone collects differently man, don't yuk on his yum!

It was sent to SGC so doesn't seem to be for the registry.

I'm just saying he was hoping to buy a lottery ticket, not a card.

Nothing wrong with that, I hope he finds a $3 card that he later sells for a zillion dollars, but don't come on here to bad mouth a seller based on a single common and cheap card that he obviously thought it was a quality card himself after receiving it, or he wouldn't have sent it in for an opinion.

If he's going to call out a seller in a thread, maybe he should have titled the thread "Greg Morris & Butchie T Overgrading"

I too am bewildered.

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Not hard to believe.

Always consider the source:

Graders today have no context with which to grade fairly. For example, my client’s brother in law is a PSA grader. He is 29 years old, has worked at PSA for six years, and makes $65k per year! He is not a collector, and to him, it’s just a job! His entire experience with sports cards spans a total of just six years! LoL.

Ladies and gents; these are the backgrounds of some of the graders grading your cards!

I personally love those inexperienced graders at PSA. Maybe I am just lucky but I have had WAY more cards highly over graded than under graded by them. I highly doubt i am the only one who has got over graded cards back but people posting about that are few and far between. Way more fun to complain.:D

Luckily SGC would never employ such naïfs!

And he's probably at this point one of the better, most experienced ones. This is one of the astonishing aspects of PSA's success and market domination, that in almost every instance we have NO idea who is grading the cards or their qualifications. It doesn't even matter. All that matters is the flip.

You beat me to it... He is probably considered one of PSA's "seasoned pros".

Truth! Yet people continue sending their cards and money to PSA.

:rolleyes: