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luciobar1980 05-16-2025 05:48 PM

Miscut??! Hmmm…
 
Why would they call this miscut? I can’t fathom why they would shoot themselves in the foo I mean if this card is miscut then so are 95% of cards.

https://ebay.us/m/nHAXo0

G1911 05-16-2025 05:55 PM

“What does “Miscut” mean? This means our inspection of the card shows evidence of a factory cutting flaw, such as an edge not getting cut clean and square.”

Miscut as in it’s short or not cut right, not miscut as in showing another adjacent card from the sheet like we normally use the word to mean.

deweyinthehall 05-16-2025 05:57 PM

In my experience, when GMC lists a "miscut" it never refers to whether the image is cut off like most of us would think. Rather, they mean that the card has an odd cut along one edge. If you look closely at this one, especially on the reverse, I think you can see the left edge by the trademark line skews outward a bit. I think that's what they mean.

Balticfox 05-16-2025 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by deweyinthehall (Post 2516313)
In my experience, when GMC lists a "miscut" it never refers to whether the image is cut off like most of us would think. Rather, they mean that the card has an odd cut along one edge.

Ridiculous. You would think that any business would have enough sense to use terminology in the way it's conventionally used by its customers.

:rolleyes:

swarmee 05-17-2025 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Balticfox (Post 2516358)
Ridiculous. You would think that any business would have enough sense to use terminology in the way it's conventionally used by its customers.

:rolleyes:

PSA has used 'miscut' both of those ways for decades.

jchcollins 05-17-2025 11:12 AM

Ah, now: Don’t confuse the Miscut qualifier with the N8 Miscut rejection code…[emoji3061]


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Balticfox 05-17-2025 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by swarmee (Post 2516375)
PSA has used 'miscut' both of those ways for decades.

PSA is just another johnny-come-lately in my book.

;)

JollyElm 05-17-2025 05:01 PM

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Sent this 1968 Topps #280 Mickey Mantle into PSA with the expectation of a nice grade...only to have it sent back to me unholdered with a MISCUT designation.
(Point of note: there are no centering issues on the back.)

It was the first time I heard of 'miscut' meaning anything other than a card being sliced so badly that parts of the image were missing.

The reason for it is, if you look at the lower half of the left side, it sort of balloons out a bit, so it doesn't form a straight-lined edge.

Later on (to get it in a slab), I sent it to SGC with the 'holder if authentic' boxed checked, and they put the dreaded MISCUT on the label.
Which is better, I guess, simply for the fact that AUTHENTIC alone without an explanation hints at something possibly nefarious.


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Since Topps cut it this way at the factory (and it's nicely centered), I wish they would just put a frickin' number on it. Total BS!!

savedfrommyspokes 05-17-2025 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by luciobar1980 (Post 2516308)
Why would they call this miscut? I can’t fathom why they would shoot themselves in the foo I mean if this card is miscut then so are 95% of cards.

https://ebay.us/m/nHAXo0

My guess is they added this designation to the title so that the card will successfully pass through the authenticity program.

swarmee 05-17-2025 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes (Post 2516496)
My guess is they added this designation to the title so that the card will successfully pass through the authenticity program.

I believe the SGC changes pre-dated the graded card Authenticity Guarantee.
SGC was 7/6/2022, and the AG was instituted for graded cards on 5/2/2022. However, the AG for graded cards only confirms that the card is labeled properly and the holder is not compromised, not whether or not the grade is accurate. So I don't think AG led to SGC's changes at all.

I think the trimming scandal is the most likely reason they added the clarity to the Altered flips.

jayshum 05-18-2025 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by swarmee (Post 2516505)
I believe the SGC changes pre-dated the graded card Authenticity Guarantee.
SGC was 7/6/2022, and the AG was instituted for graded cards on 5/2/2022. However, the AG for graded cards only confirms that the card is labeled properly and the holder is not compromised, not whether or not the grade is accurate. So I don't think AG led to SGC's changes at all.

I think the trimming scandal is the most likely reason they added the clarity to the Altered flips.

The dates you listed show the changes to SGC being after the AG for graded cards not before so they're the opposite of what you said in your first sentence.

swarmee 05-18-2025 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jayshum (Post 2516529)
The dates you listed show the changes to SGC being after the AG for graded cards not before so they're the opposite of what you said in your first sentence.

Agreed; I went and looked it up while posting, however this still seems like two independent decisions being made.

savedfrommyspokes 05-18-2025 12:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by swarmee (Post 2516505)
I believe the SGC changes pre-dated the graded card Authenticity Guarantee.
SGC was 7/6/2022, and the AG was instituted for graded cards on 5/2/2022. However, the AG for graded cards only confirms that the card is labeled properly and the holder is not compromised, not whether or not the grade is accurate. So I don't think AG led to SGC's changes at all.

I think the trimming scandal is the most likely reason they added the clarity to the Altered flips.


My original response to this post was in reference to a raw card, not the PSA 2 that is now present when you click on the OP's link.

Screen grab from actual item:


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