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samosa4u 04-05-2025 02:38 PM

Hand-cut Goudey Ruth
 
A buddy on Facebook sent me this today and it took me only a few seconds to realize that someone had previously cut the top and bottom borders off using a pair of scissors. You can see how uneven it looks, especially the bottom border.

How the PSA grader missed this is beyond me !! Grade should be AUTH - ALTERED.

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Eric72 04-05-2025 02:49 PM

I agree. That looks like a hand-cut hack job.

Unfortunately, as has been stated many times on here before, it won't matter. The almighty flip is all that counts to some collectors people.

conor912 04-05-2025 03:58 PM

This is not a super uncommon cut on gum cards. These sheets were cut into strips, then individual cards. If in between the two cuts, the strip shifted slightly, it would result in a final card like this. I’ve seen lots. The thin left border raises my eyebrow much more.

samosa4u 04-06-2025 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by conor912 (Post 2507914)
This is not a super uncommon cut on gum cards. These sheets were cut into strips, then individual cards. If in between the two cuts, the strip shifted slightly, it would result in a final card like this. I’ve seen lots.

Okay, show me some Goudeys in PSA holders that have a cut like this.

conor912 04-06-2025 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by samosa4u (Post 2508072)
Okay, show me some Goudeys in PSA holders that have a cut like this.

No.

tjisonline 04-07-2025 05:29 AM

Looks like a diamond cut. Do doubt it will get that same grade if submitted today. The .5 bump is supposed to be for eye appeal which this doesn’t have.

tjisonline 04-07-2025 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by conor912 (Post 2507914)
This is not a super uncommon cut on gum cards. These sheets were cut into strips, then individual cards. If in between the two cuts, the strip shifted slightly, it would result in a final card like this. I’ve seen lots. The thin left border raises my eyebrow much more.

I agree

DallasAg 04-07-2025 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by samosa4u (Post 2508072)
Okay, show me some Goudeys in PSA holders that have a cut like this.

This is a 38, not a 33, but I tend to agree that this type of cut is not all that uncommon in the Goudey cards. The pictured Ruth is definitely on the extreme end of the spectrum, however.

parkplace33 04-07-2025 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by samosa4u (Post 2508072)
Okay, show me some Goudeys in PSA holders that have a cut like this.

Good luck!

It probably is diamond cut, but those cuts do not look uniform. Should be an A either way.

Leon 04-07-2025 09:01 AM

That Goudey Ruth wouldn't be a fit for my collection. I would only see the bottom border. Good or bad it looks like crap to me (no offense intended).
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samosa4u 04-07-2025 02:13 PM

I have seen factory miscuts before. From corner A to corner B you will see a slant, like this:

https://static.thenounproject.com/png/1729052-200.png

The DiMaggio posted above is what I'm talking about. The top and bottom cuts also appear to be parallel. It looks legit to me.

The Ruth looks like some kid had fun with it. It looks awful and I'm just stunned that it got a numerical grade. What's the point of card grading if they're gonna' start letting stuff like this through ?? :confused:

Yoda 04-07-2025 03:13 PM

Would you pay 25k for this card at auction? I doubt it.

gunboat82 04-07-2025 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 2508384)
Would you pay 25k for this card at auction? I doubt it.

I'd pay $4K, but only after the top and bottom were re-trimmed with a straightedge to make them even.

3-2-count 04-07-2025 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 2508277)
That Goudey Ruth wouldn't be a fit for my collection. I would only see the bottom border. Good or bad it looks like crap to me (no offense intended).
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Ditto!

brianp-beme 04-08-2025 12:58 AM

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The Ruth bottom border reminds me of the top border of this laminated 1948 Bowman of Ralph Kiner that I posted on another thread a short while back. The Kiner has an advantage over the Ruth, as the Kiner was correctly laminated.

Brian

jchcollins 04-08-2025 12:09 PM

I won't claim for a second to be an expert on anything prewar & certainly not Goudey specifically, but looks like a fairly routine diamond cut to me. They aren't uncommon at all on postwar vintage issues.

pro9 04-08-2025 11:24 PM

The Ruth might have been a diamond cut originally as the top border looks ok as a diamond cut, but somebody tried to do something to the bottom border. No way it came from the factory that way.

robw1959 04-08-2025 11:48 PM

I looks good to me, and agree about the likelihood of this being a diamond-cut Ruth.


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