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samosa4u 03-29-2025 12:27 PM

Holy Cracker Jack !!
 
https://www.fanaticscollect.com/prem...-103-psa-15-fr

150k USD for a PSA 1.5 ?? This has gotta' be a record !

All the record prices happened during the pandemic and so it's crazy to see something like this happening today.

And I just love what they did here:

As World War I started, baseball’s popularity continued to grow from city to city. Hitters like Ty Cobb, Honus Wagner, and Joe Jackson posted record-setting numbers despite playing in the dead-ball era.

They're trying to put him on the same level as Cobb and Wagner - ha !! He was good, but not THAT good! :rolleyes:

4815162342 03-29-2025 12:35 PM

How on earth is this card a 1.5?

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Neal 03-29-2025 12:37 PM

Gorgeous card and "comps" are only part of the equation nowadays



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brianp-beme 03-29-2025 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 4815162342 (Post 2506242)
How on earth is this card a 1.5?

There appears to be a horizontal wrinkle at the top of the card just above the 'Cracker Jack'. Perhaps this was enough to lower the boom on the grade for this boomtastic card.

Brian

Tomi 03-29-2025 12:58 PM

Looks nicer than many high grade Jackson CJ's.

tjisonline 03-29-2025 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Tomi (Post 2506251)
Looks nicer than many high grade Jackson CJ's.

100%. The eye appeal is off the charts. It used to be in a SGC 2.5 slab also. I don't think the PSA grade of Fair / 1.5 is accurate. Looks like a true Good / 2 or 2.5 even with the upper crease.

Peter_Spaeth 03-29-2025 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tomi (Post 2506251)
Looks nicer than many high grade Jackson CJ's.

The card may not look like that in hand. People just assume it will, but ain't necessarily so. Scans, especially at the settings auction houses use, can mask defects. Not saying it's intentional.

ajjohnsonsoxfan 03-31-2025 04:59 PM

I don't think that's a crease. Looks to be some missing red ink during printing process. I think someone found other JJ's with similar marks. Either way, PSA has thoroughly screwed CJ grading from past grades to today's. It's completely F'd comps. This card would have received an easy 5+ if graded 10 years ago (hence price paid).

tjisonline 04-01-2025 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ajjohnsonsoxfan (Post 2506865)
I don't think that's a crease. Looks to be some missing red ink during printing process. I think someone found other JJ's with similar marks. Either way, PSA has thoroughly screwed CJ grading from past grades to today's. It's completely F'd comps. This card would have received an easy 5+ if graded 10 years ago (hence price paid).

Good call AJ. I was wondering the same based on my recent research, There are other 1914 CJ SJJ cards w/ this. i do think SGC was closer to the true grade (2.5) than PSA (1.5). Jeremy will know once the card is in hand.

steve B 04-01-2025 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by samosa4u (Post 2506239)
As World War I started, baseball’s popularity continued to grow from city to city. Hitters like Ty Cobb, Honus Wagner, and Joe Jackson posted record-setting numbers despite playing in the dead-ball era.

They're trying to put him on the same level as Cobb and Wagner - ha !! He was good, but not THAT good! :rolleyes:

We won't ever know how he really compared to Cobb. Based on what stats we have he was quite a bit off from Cobb, How he would have done in a few more prime years plus a few old man years we can't say. And really, who was comparable to Cobb?
He probably would have made it to 3000 hits. His batting average is only 10 points behind Cobb. Slugging and OPS are almost identical. Could he have made a transition from deadball hitting to the power game of the 20's? No way to tell, but 12 hr in 1920 while still batting .382 gives a fun hint.

His numbers as 163 game averages are better as a hitter than Wagner, certainly a function of him being banned in his prime. His power was better, but Wagner in his prime was a better hitter. one of those things that can be debated for a long time

ajjohnsonsoxfan 04-01-2025 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by tjisonline (Post 2506968)
Good call AJ. I was wondering the same based on my recent research, There are other 1914 CJ SJJ cards w/ this. i do think SGC was closer to the true grade (2.5) than PSA (1.5). Jeremy will know once the card is in hand.

For example look at this PSA 6. Notice similar red ink snail trail at top and check out those bottom two corners. Make it make sense how there's a 4.5 grade difference between these two cards?

Kidnapped18 04-01-2025 07:48 PM

No obvious flaws from the scan to justify the grade as the eye appeal is off the charts!

I would spend the money to have REA resubmit for the higher grade.
Great looking card!

Stampsfan 04-02-2025 01:30 AM

A buddy won that. While I've not seen it, he said there is a slight wrinkle where some of you have identified.

ChasingPaper 04-02-2025 12:15 PM

I have some recently graded CJ that look near mint front and back but got 2's and a 2.5
I have scanned them in 1200dpi and looked them over with a magnifying glass and see no issues at all. Makes no sense.

samosa4u 04-03-2025 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ajjohnsonsoxfan (Post 2507060)
For example look at this PSA 6. Notice similar red ink snail trail at top and check out those bottom two corners. Make it make sense how there's a 4.5 grade difference between these two cards?

Looks bleached

Casey2296 04-03-2025 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by samosa4u (Post 2507567)
Looks bleached

That's a bright scan, even the plastic looks bleached.


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