Beckett to SCG
 

What should I expect cracking a card from a Beckett slab and sending it to SGC?
Same grade? Higher? lower?
Card(s) will be 1972 Topps

Just wondering what other collectors have experienced
Thanks Scott

What flavor of Beckett slab is it? Hopefully it’s not one of those BCCG slabs…

BVG Slab

Of course there’s no predictable formula but I would expect that SGC would on average maybe grade it ~1 numerical grade lower.

This is a cop out, but I’m guessing that it depends on what’s wrong with the card, and probably how long ago it was graded by Beckett. Centering, corners, registration, edges, scuffing and scratches, every grader has a slightly different take on how those should impact the grade.

Some would also argue that which grader picks up your cards also matters.

I suspect that your experience will probably be all over the place. Some the same, some down, and maybe even some up.

can you share scans of a handful or so in their current BVG slabs?

If it does not come back even, I suspect a half grade or one full grade lower. I do not use Beckett to grade. I’m curious to know.

I will try to get pictures of the cards up soon. Thanks. Scott

It really boils down to the particular card. In general, I agree BVG will generally be 1 grade easier than SGC but it is far from linear. There's a good guy I did a deal with on the bst board who successfully crossed a 48 Leaf Ted Williams BVG 2 to an SGC 2. I wasn't surprised because it looked like a legit 2 in any holder. Generally speaking, I suspect it's easier to cross lower grade cards successfully. As you get into the upper echelons, where the gap might be highest is in that 6-8 range. A BVG in this ballpark is probably going to be tougher to cross.

But as I started to say in the beginning, it mostly depends on the specific card.

My guess is that modern BVG would average 1-2 grades lower than SGC, but it could depend. Some older BVG slabs weren't all bad. In about 2000 - 2002 when Beckett briefly did subgrades with vintage - those grades were very accurate, IMO.

1872 cards
 

Cards

My guesses (based on that one pic):
Bench - 7.5
Ryan - 7
Clemente - 6.5

Time will tell. I will send them in to SGC in the next couple weeks

Bench looks nice. Could be an 8, probably lower. Ryan could possibly get a 7, but hard to tell. Clemente is rough and should not have been crossed. It will grade 6 at best.

Beckett Grading
 

I always stick to PSA and/or SGC but on occasion a card I want is in a Beckett Holder ... Now I have been around the block a few times ... I bought a 1951 Mays Bowman (ex) and a 1920 Ruth W522 (vg) .... based on my eye - both cards are graded spot on, in fact my Mays card could have been a ex+ ... As far as the strip card - it measures up and has very nice borders. Because it WAS in a Beckett Holder, I was able to bargain down the price a bit ... Therefore I am of the opinion that you use your experience and not who graded it - to a point. Beyond PSA and SGC and then to Beckett there is no other grading company that I would buy unless I was able to inspect the card. All other holders I treat as if I am buying a raw card ... Anyone have an exception to the big 2 and then Beckett as a #3

CSG (or are they CGC?) is getting some love

I only submit to SGC but buy both PSA & SGC. I really don’t buy or submit to anything else. As stated above if I were to buy CSG or Beckett I’d treat as if raw. I may have to bite the bullet and submit a few on card autos to Beckett because there is no way in hell I’m using PSA and waiting a second lifetime for the return.

Anyways back to the grading, I’m in your corner I really hope your grades transfer the same but I doubt it.

Danny

Agree with John about older BVG slabs.

Got the cards back from SGC
Ryan 6.5
Bench 7.5
Clemente 7

Ryan: BVG 7 -> SGC 6.5
Bench: BVG 8 -> SGC 7.5
Clemente: BVG 7.5 -> SGC 7

So .5 grade drop across the board. Thanks for sharing!

Boy I was off base. That's what I get for trying to estimate grade off a photo. All in all, not a terrible result. Did you send these in the slabs or take them out first? I wonder if SGC was just like F it and dropped them all a half grade, or if that was merely a coincidence.

I think the original post suggested that this would be a crack and submit situation.

But agreed that it's always good to confirm whether that actually happened, because you never know!

And also agreed that the results are pretty good overall. While it's always nice to get things to cross straight over, a 0.5 grade drop is a lot better than you often get from these crossovers.

I cracked them out of the old slabs before sending them in .

I sent a bvg 6 Dan Dee to SGC still encased by bvg and got it back a 6.5. I did not crack it.

I know some food issues grading standards were changed within the last 5? Years to be a bit more lenient on issues that came into contact with food.

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