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oldjudge 02-23-2025 09:40 AM

PSA 7 Ruth Rookie in HA
 
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This card sold last night. Does the centering on the front meet PSA's standard for a 7 (approximately 70/30 or better)?

Peter_Spaeth 02-23-2025 09:46 AM

Visually, if you double the right border and add a little bit, it looks like it's about equal to the left, but someone technically inclined should be able to check.

samosa4u 02-23-2025 10:28 AM

Old serial number and would probably grade a PSA 5 today. Still a nice card though!!

https://dyn1.heritagestatic.com/lf?s...oduct.chain%5D

rand1com 02-23-2025 10:33 AM

They have not changed their standards on centering but are obviously stricter on overall grading. I think the centering meets the 70/30 standard they have always used for centering criteria but agree it would likely not make a grade of 7 today. Maybe a 5 or more likely a 6 IMO.

BRoberts 02-23-2025 10:41 AM

Well, we know who *didn't* buy this card.

mrreality68 02-23-2025 10:51 AM

Still a beautiful card and went for a lot less then an another 7 that sold about 2 years ago.
That one went for 2.4 million but the centering on that one was a lot nicer as well as the overall eye appeal.
Whoever won this card should be happy with the price but not the consignor

Snapolit1 02-23-2025 11:01 AM

Hate the centering. Just not an attractive card. You know what I would look at every time I look at the card? Yes, the centering. And it would never stop annoying me.

Like a beautiful woman with a bad mole on her face.

Peter_Spaeth 02-23-2025 11:32 AM

A RUTH ROOKIE and people are bitching about the centering? Come on.

raulus 02-23-2025 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2498661)
A RUTH ROOKIE and people are bitching about the centering? Come on.

Makes us feel better about not having one when we can focus on the flaws for the ones that just sold at a price that we can’t afford to pay.

Stonepony 02-23-2025 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by raulus (Post 2498665)
Makes us feel better about not having one when we can focus on the flaws for the ones that just sold at a price that we can’t afford to pay.

1+

ClementeFanOh 02-23-2025 11:42 AM

Ruth
 
Yes, the centering does meet the standard according to this image. I wish
TPGs (and more collectors!!) would adhere to these standards themselves.
There's a difference between being particular about centering, and believing
that anything that isn't dead centered is somehow inferior. Someone above
mentioned the card in question being a 5 or 6 today- that's the problem. It's
today's standards that are off, not older standards. Great card! Trent King

samosa4u 02-23-2025 12:22 PM

Old serial numbers are a joke! Look at this PSA 9 Gretzky rookie that also sold last night and you'll see surface damage (where it says OILERS.) Somebody paid 140K USD for this !! OMG !!!

https://dyn1.heritagestatic.com/lf?s...oduct.chain%5D

samosa4u 02-23-2025 12:26 PM

Larger scan:

https://dyn1.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path[3/1/7/1/8/31718873]&call=url[file:product.chain]

Unbelievable

sportscardpete 02-23-2025 12:39 PM

Values of Ruth rookies are down too. So while it’s not a great 7, prices have come down from the last comp. I’d still trade my entire collection for it!

Beercan collector 02-23-2025 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by samosa4u (Post 2498688)

That’s pretty bad - Card typically not known to be in focus but that one is horrendous

swarmee 02-23-2025 01:14 PM

By my measurement, there are 30 pixels on the right side (center) and 85 pixels on the left side (center). That would equate to 74/26 centering, nearly 3 times heavier on the left than right. That is worse than the current limit of 70/30, but before last month PSA 7 did allow graders to allow for up to 75/25 for this grade, I believe.

I believe it would get a PSA 6 today, as it's off-centered in both directions. And that's usually what they grade cards that are noticeably off in both directions.

ejharrington 02-23-2025 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2498661)
A RUTH ROOKIE and people are bitching about the centering? Come on.

Exactly.

Snapolit1 02-23-2025 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ejharrington (Post 2498698)
Exactly.

I’m never going to own one. But this is one I definitely am never going to own.

Snapolit1 02-23-2025 01:35 PM

So if one sees a really lousy Monet or Picasso, you can’t comment on it?

raulus 02-23-2025 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Snapolit1 (Post 2498705)
So if one sees a really lousy Monet or Picasso, you can’t comment on it?

You can criticize those hacks. But not Da Vinci.

Peter_Spaeth 02-23-2025 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by raulus (Post 2498735)
You can criticize those hacks. But not Da Vinci.

Did someone say Monet and Picasso?

mrreality68 02-23-2025 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ejharrington (Post 2498698)
Exactly.

I do not believe they are bitching about the centering

I think they are comparing the centering as it effected the price especially when you comparing it to the other 7 that sold a bit over a year ago and it went for $1 million dollars more.

Regardless it is a great looking Ruth and someone is a proud owner of it.

Peter_Spaeth 02-23-2025 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mrreality68 (Post 2498831)
I do not believe they are bitching about the centering

I think they are comparing the centering as it effected the price especially when you comparing it to the other 7 that sold a bit over a year ago and it went for $1 million dollars more.

Regardless it is a great looking Ruth and someone is a proud owner of it.

"Hate the centering. Just not an attractive card."

That's bitching about the centering, nothing at all to do with the grade or price. Steve is entitled to his opinion, but let's not sugar coat it.

Carter08 02-23-2025 07:08 PM

I’m guessing it met an x-acto knife or two along the way.

theshowandme 02-23-2025 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2498818)
Did someone say Monet and Picasso?


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Peter_Spaeth 02-23-2025 07:32 PM

Wow that's astonishing. Not the easiest card to find.

oldjudge 02-23-2025 07:36 PM

John--Thanks for answering the question. If your measurements are correct the card does not meet the STATED PSA centering requirements for a 7. That was all I was asking.

perezfan 02-23-2025 09:52 PM

The Ruth would likely grade "5" if submitted today (by a common collector).

It might squeeze out a "6" if submitted by a well-known auction house or a close ally of PSA.


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