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BobbyStrawberry 12-01-2024 01:48 PM
Sunday Trivia: Pitcher WAR
 
Since 1900, which three pitchers had the best single-season WAR (according to BRef) but are NOT in the Hall of Fame?

D. Bergin 12-01-2024 01:54 PM
For some reason my brain is stuck on a few Tigers single season work-horses, so I'm going to go with Mickey Lolich, Denny McLain and Mark Fidrych.

:confused:

Peter_Spaeth 12-01-2024 02:02 PM
Gooden?

Peter_Spaeth 12-01-2024 02:13 PM
Clemens?

rats60 12-01-2024 02:18 PM
Russ Ford had a big season for the Highlanders in 1910.

Peter_Spaeth 12-01-2024 02:21 PM
Smoky Joe?

D. Bergin 12-01-2024 02:34 PM
Damn, I biffed on Gooden and Clemens. Those got to be 2 of them.

judsonhamlin 12-01-2024 03:31 PM
Maybe Ron Guidry in ‘78?

BobbyStrawberry 12-01-2024 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2478176)
Gooden?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2478183)
Clemens?
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Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 2478196)
Damn, I biffed on Gooden and Clemens. Those got to be 2 of them.
Clemens and Gooden are indeed two of the three:

Gooden 1985 12.2 WAR
Clemens 1997 11.9 WAR

One more to go...

BobbyStrawberry 12-01-2024 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by rats60 (Post 2478186)
Russ Ford had a big season for the Highlanders in 1910.
Ford's 1910 season is #5 on the list at 11.4 WAR.

Peter_Spaeth 12-01-2024 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry (Post 2478241)
Clemens and Gooden are indeed two of the three:

Gooden 1985 12.2 WAR
Clemens 1997 11.9 WAR

One more to go...
Damn it. I thought Wood had some completely off the charts year.

BobbyStrawberry 12-01-2024 05:36 PM
Smokey Joe's best was 10.2 WAR. Guidry and Fidrych both had 9.6 WAR seasons.

Peter_Spaeth 12-01-2024 05:40 PM
Kershaw? I mean it's unlikely with these guys now getting fewer starts but he did have some insane years.

cgjackson222 12-01-2024 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2478244)
Damn it. I thought Wood had some completely off the charts year.
Wilbur Wood?

Peter_Spaeth 12-01-2024 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by cgjackson222 (Post 2478250)
Wilbur Wood?
Oh yeah with all those starts and innings those couple of years where he was basically half the team's staff lol, good one.

BobbyStrawberry 12-01-2024 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by cgjackson222 (Post 2478250)
Wilbur Wood?
Great guess - he's actually #4 (11.8 WAR in 1971).

Still one missing name in the top three...

BobbyStrawberry 12-01-2024 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2478246)
Kershaw? I mean it's unlikely with these guys now getting fewer starts but he did have some insane years.
Kershaw's highest WAR season was only 8.1 (2013). Only 236 innings - which actually now seems high for the present state of the game.

Peter_Spaeth 12-01-2024 09:18 PM
Flailing. Ron Bryant had that one massive year. Steve Stone. Orel Hersheiser. Saberhagen. Probably going to be someone at the turn of the century.

BobbyStrawberry 12-01-2024 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2478289)
Flailing. Ron Bryant had that one massive year. Steve Stone. Orel Hersheiser. Saberhagen. Probably going to be someone at the turn of the century.
Good guesses but no. Two hints:

1) Definitely not "turn of the century" but pre-war

2) His team won the world series that season.

icurnmedic 12-01-2024 10:23 PM
Addie Joss with that low WHIP?
Don’t know how to look that up though.

howard38 12-02-2024 04:15 AM
Eddie Cicotte?

BobbyStrawberry 12-02-2024 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by icurnmedic (Post 2478299)
Addie Joss with that low WHIP?
Don’t know how to look that up though.
Joss' highest was 8.5 WAR in 1908. (0.806 WHIP)

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Originally Posted by howard38 (Post 2478312)
Eddie Cicotte?
Cicotte is correct! He had an 11.9 WAR in 1917.

:cool:

howard38 12-02-2024 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry (Post 2478362)
Joss' highest was 8.5 WAR in 1908. (0.806 WHIP)



Cicotte is correct! He had an 11.9 WAR in 1917.

:cool:
Would not have got him without the World Series hint. My first guesses were Dolf Luque and Dizzy Trout.

BobbyStrawberry 12-02-2024 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by howard38 (Post 2478400)
Would not have got him without the World Series hint. My first guesses were Dolf Luque and Dizzy Trout.
Luque is #6 on the list. Quite a season he had in 1923!

Gorditadogg 12-07-2024 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry (Post 2478362)
Joss' highest was 8.5 WAR in 1908. (0.806 WHIP)







Cicotte is correct! He had an 11.9 WAR in 1917.



:cool:
It was over 100 years ago, but I am still pissed that Comisky stopped pitching Cicotte in 1919 because he didn't want to pay his bonus for 30 wins.

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