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frankbmd 10-24-2024 02:30 PM

The Starting Pitcher Conundrum
 
If you have followed baseball for 70 years as I have, you are no doubt aware of the declining innings pitched of starting pitchers. In fact, there will probably be one or more "bullpen" games in this year's World Series.

Currently a pitcher must pitch 162 innings to qualify for the best ERA in the league. The number of qualifiers continues to decrease. It is not ridiculous to postulate that in not too many years, there will not be a qualifying pitcher for the ERA crown. The question then becomes what criteria will be used for future starting pitchers to be considered eligible for the Hall of Fame.

Here are a few suggestions:

1. Completion of a career lasting at least 10 years without having Tommy John surgery.

2. 162 strikeouts in a year rather than 162 innings pitched in a year once no one makes it to 162 innings.

3. Lengthen the season until someone pitches 162 innings and declare him the
"King of the Hill" regardless of innings pitched, ERA and strikeouts.

4. The "complete game" will become a popular trivia answer on Net 54 in the 22nd century.

5. Just consider any pitcher who has pitched in more than one inning in any game as qualified for all awards. Does anyone really think one inning or less in every game pitched is Hall of Fame worthy?

6. Eliminate mathematics from the elementary school curriculum so that no one in the future will be able to count, rendering counting stats and this conundrum mute.

7. With the current "mythical" pitch count limit of 100/game, an example of group think in the managerial union, it has also become more difficult to qualify for a win, as many starters do not reach the 6th inning before their 100th pitch. Add "winning pitcher" to the 22nd century Net54 trivia answers that no one will know. The Hall of Fame may already have all the 300 game winners they will ever get.


Feel free to add additional suggestion for Hall of fame consideration in the future for pitchers.:D

Peter_Spaeth 10-24-2024 04:22 PM

At the rate things are going the whole idea of a winning pitcher should become obsolete. Instead, take the winning team, identify all pitchers who pitched well enough (for however long) to have "contributed" to the win (standards can be worked out), and award them "Cs" or whatever.

frankbmd 10-24-2024 04:45 PM

Indeed, In bullpen games a reliever can be awarded the W and only throw 8 pitches or less. The winner may not even need to take a shower after the game.:eek:

mortimer brewster 10-24-2024 08:06 PM

4. The "complete game" will become a popular trivia answer on Net 54 in the 22nd century.


The all-time complete games and shutout lists may as well be etched in stone. there will be no movement on these lists moving forward.

Peter_Spaeth 10-24-2024 08:30 PM

Rosters will be expanded so each team can carry 18 pitchers.

frankbmd 10-24-2024 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2470062)
Rosters will be expanded so each team can carry 18 pitchers.

.. and none of them will be worthy of Hall of Fame consideration.

Elongating bull pens in some parks may also be difficult.:D

frankbmd 10-24-2024 10:25 PM

With starters and closers both coming out of the bull pen, Old Hoss Radbourn's record of starting 73 games in a season could be in jeopardy.

Actually Galvin and Will White are already ahead of Old Hoss with 75 games started in a season.

KJA 10-25-2024 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankbmd (Post 2470079)
With starters and closers both coming out of the bull pen, Old Hoss Radbourn's record of starting 73 games in a season could be in jeopardy.

Actually Galvin and Will White are already ahead of Old Hoss with 75 games started in a season.

Hadn't thought about that, but I could totally see that. Also somebody passing Mike Marshall's 106 games in a season


Also wonder who the first reliever will be to make the hall that isn't a closer and will a high number of Holds get them there.

Eric72 10-28-2024 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2470018)
At the rate things are going the whole idea of a winning pitcher should become obsolete. Instead, take the winning team, identify all pitchers who pitched well enough (for however long) to have "contributed" to the win (standards can be worked out), and award them "Cs" or whatever.

1/27th of a win for each out they recorded?

Balticfox 10-28-2024 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankbmd (Post 2469998)
6. Eliminate mathematics from the elementary school curriculum so that no one in the future will be able to count, rendering counting stats and this conundrum mute.

That's already been done in some jurisdictions because of the recent "discovery" that math is racist.

:(

Balticfox 10-28-2024 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mortimer brewster (Post 2470057)
4. The "complete game" will become a popular trivia answer on Net 54 in the 22nd century.

The all-time complete games and shutout lists may as well be etched in stone. there will be no movement on these lists moving forward.

Hmmmm. I may be wrong, but I see only one pitcher, Warren Spahn, in the top 35 who played into the 1960's:

Lifetime Complete Games - ESPN

There were only 28 complete games pitched in 2024 which was a new low compared to 210 as recently as 2002.

:(

sports-cards-forever 11-08-2024 06:54 AM

I like the Tommy John streak idea. That might be better than Cal Ripken's!

CardPadre 11-08-2024 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Balticfox (Post 2470874)
That's already been done in some jurisdictions because of the recent "discovery" that math is racist.

:(


Which jurisdictions did this? Sorry you’re so sad. Whose discovery was it?

D. Bergin 11-08-2024 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CardPadre (Post 2473491)
Which jurisdictions did this? Sorry you’re so sad. Whose discovery was it?


LOL, I was trying to hold my tongue on this one, but..... no jurisdictions.

Some people just can't help themselves. :D

G1911 11-08-2024 09:45 AM

Math has not been eliminated from school curriculums for being racist. I assume the reference is to things like California’s state board of education setting policies to include social justice left-wing narratives into math instruction, but no district has banned math lol. That’s ridiculous

bk400 11-09-2024 09:29 AM

There are still some old school, bad ass starters out there. I hate the f**king Yankees, but I love Gerritt Cole. That guy is a he/him.

I think Ohtani is the same type of competitor on the mound. He's like, F**k you. I'm coming. I don't care if it is the top of the 8th.

I maintain that if the Yankees didn't bitch out and pull Cole in Game 1, the Yankees would have won the World Series.

D. Bergin 11-09-2024 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bk400 (Post 2473752)
There are still some old school, bad ass starters out there. I hate the f**king Yankees, but I love Gerritt Cole. That guy is a he/him.

I think Ohtani is the same type of competitor on the mound. He's like, F**k you. I'm coming. I don't care if it is the top of the 8th.

I maintain that if the Yankees didn't bitch out and pull Cole in Game 1, the Yankees would have won the World Series.


I'm glad he's coming back, option or no. Just hope he stays healthy enough into his late 30's to justify it.


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