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Peter_Spaeth 09-08-2024 06:49 PM

E90-1 Cobb (comparison) --is one trimmed?
 
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Is the width really this variable? Don't know the issue well.

brianp-beme 09-08-2024 06:56 PM

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E90-1 border width is not that variable. But as an offshoot, the card now possesses four sharp corners.

Here is my Holy Cobb with original borders intact.


Brian

Casey2296 09-08-2024 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by brianp-beme (Post 2459731)
E90-1 border width is not that variable. But as an offshoot, the card now possesses four sharp corners.

Here is my Holy Cobb with original borders intact.


Brian

Brian,
Is that the infamous "Annie Oakley" Cobb?

Thrown in the air outside a dusty western bar in the middle of a hot afternoon on a bet she couldn't put a shot right through the Georgia Peaches midsection?

Lorewalker 09-08-2024 07:10 PM

The higher the grade the smaller the card, always. It is a widely accepted theory that smaller cards simply do not sustain as much wear.

Owning cards like the 7 requires massive indifference, zero knowledge of cards or an amazing ability to deny reality.

3-2-count 09-08-2024 07:23 PM

That Psa 7 ain’t right!

Never get cheated….

brianp-beme 09-08-2024 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Casey2296 (Post 2459737)
Brian,
Is that the infamous "Annie Oakley" Cobb?

Thrown in the air outside a dusty western bar in the middle of a hot afternoon on a bet she couldn't put a shot right through the Georgia Peaches midsection?

She was a mighty good shot Phil, so in regards to my card I would bet anyone a plugged nickel that Annie up and got her gun.

Brian

brianp-beme 09-08-2024 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 3-2-count (Post 2459741)
That Psa 7 ain’t right!

Never get cheated….

In a perfect world the PSA 7 would cost less than a beat-up but intact example. Because the PSA 7 example contains less paper material than a card that is its original size.

Brian

4815162342 09-08-2024 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by brianp-beme (Post 2459748)
She was a mighty good shot Phil, so in regards to my card I would bet anyone a plugged nickel that Annie up and got her gun.

Brian


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NiceDocter 09-08-2024 11:23 PM

that 7 should be a 9
 
All they have to do is crack it out, retrim to make it better centered, and resubmit! Voila.... a 9!!!!

Carter08 09-09-2024 06:26 PM

High grade E and T cards rarely seem to fill out their psa holders compared to their lower grade counterparts. Really makes one skeptical.

Peter_Spaeth 09-09-2024 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Carter08 (Post 2459939)
High grade E and T cards rarely seem to fill out their psa holders compared to their lower grade counterparts. Really makes one skeptical.

Yeah. There was a period maybe 15 years ago we were seeing small caramel cards in high grade constantly. Largely I suspect from the same source but that's another matter. I used to call them Es in Ts -- the real caramel cards were all in baggies then but these seemed to fit just fine in the T size holders. It really did, and does, make you want to say eff it it's all bullshit.

judsonhamlin 09-09-2024 06:59 PM

The rare “American Beauty” E90…
Gotta love willful blindness

bnorth 09-09-2024 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2459729)
Is the width really this variable? Don't know the issue well.

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2459942)
Yeah. There was a period maybe 15 years ago we were seeing small caramel cards in high grade constantly. Largely I suspect from the same source but that's another matter. I used to call them Es in Ts -- the real caramel cards were all in baggies then but these seemed to fit just fine in the T size holders. It really did, and does, make you want to say eff it it's all bullshit.

Mr Spaeth with all due respect you know damn well that IS the difference between most low grade examples and ALL high grade vintage cards.

Yes it is bullshit but very few will not collect PSA slabs because of it. Seriously once you can really not care about value and just buy ungraded cards the hobby actually becomes really fun again.

Peter_Spaeth 09-09-2024 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 2459961)
Mr Spaeth with all due respect you know damn well that IS the difference between most low grade examples and ALL high grade vintage cards.

Yes it is bullshit but very few will not collect PSA slabs because of it. Seriously once you can really not care about value and just buy ungraded cards the hobby actually becomes really fun again.

The Harris Collection should have scared everyone off.
Not to mention a whole bunch of other stuff.

Snowman 09-09-2024 07:55 PM

I know very little about this set, but I'd still wager my big toe that the 7 has been trimmed.

campyfan39 09-09-2024 07:57 PM

example 1000000000 why grading sucks
Yet people continue in the pecker comparison contest

edhans 09-10-2024 07:55 AM

Re: E90-1 Cobb (comparison) --is one trimmed?
 
That 7 does appear to be trimmed. But there is some variability in the dimensions of unaltered E90-1s. Home Run Baker is an example. Look at the VCP records and you'll see many examples.

Leon 09-11-2024 02:29 PM

Variances
 
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Originally Posted by edhans (Post 2460047)
That 7 does appear to be trimmed. But there is some variability in the dimensions of unaltered E90-1s. Home Run Baker is an example. Look at the VCP records and you'll see many examples.

+1...the 1.5 Cobb looks about right.

Not all can look like this one! There are some variances in the borders but, pointy corners with little borders is a recipe for a disaster.
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packs 09-11-2024 04:00 PM

Here's my Cy for comparison. He looks a little skinnier than yours but I don't think he's been under the knife:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...d9b52cbf_z.jpg

brianp-beme 09-11-2024 04:40 PM

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Here's my Cy for comparison. He looks a little skinnier than yours but I don't think he's been under the knife:


My side borders are maybe just slightly larger, but also have no evident tampering. My Cy did get into a knife fight and got it straight in the neckhole.

Leon's incredible E90-1 Cy is a freak of candy card nature.

Brian

ullmandds 09-11-2024 05:45 PM

i would say TRIMMED for sure.


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