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Help Identifying 1880-1890s Photos
Looks like the first photo has Comiskey in it from 1888
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Nice! I'd love that Hamilton photo, being Canadian. One of the players I see identified on that is Elton "Icebox" Chamberlain. Such a great baseball name. According to BB-R, this was his first professional team. He was only 17.
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OK, we need some uniform and ear guys...
Top left of the Louisville photo looks quite a bit like Honus facially, but the uniforms and ears would dictate otherwise. Guessing those uniforms predate Honus' era. I'm seeing some of those silly hats that scream (DON'T CALL THEM) Scrapps! |
Don, are all of those yours? Nice!!!
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I wish! A friend has them and is looking for more information. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Hahaha I’m glad I’m not the only one who saw that Google reverse image search thought so too But I’m not certain. Nor do I have my hopes up https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...dffcda4cbd.jpg |
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The first photo uses the same image that is on the 1888 World Beaters cabinet but it seems like the photo posted is a later copy to me...but that is always hard to tell from a scan.
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Here is a better image where you can read the player's names. Also, I see that the photo you posted does not have the players numbered...so maybe it is an original photo and not a second generation photo taken from the cabinet.
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It's a fair bit closer than this, anyway... https://www.ebay.com/itm/134082015029 |
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1888 St. Louis Browns Top Row, L-R: Arlie Latham (3B), mascot, Tip O'Neill (LF). Middle Row, L-R: Bill White (SS), Jim Devlin (P), Yank Robinson (2B), Tommy McCarthy (RF), Silver King (P), Joe Herr (SS). Second to Bottom Row, Seated on bench, L-R: Jack Boyle (C), Nat Hudson (P), Charles Comiskey (1B), Jocko Milligan (C), Tom Dolan (C). Bottom Row Seated on ground, L-R: Ice Box Chamberlain (P), Harry Lyons (CF). |
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The Louisville team photo does not have Honus Wagner in it, but it does have Pete Browning, who ought to be in the HOF. He is on the far left in the middle row. The uniform shirts match the style worn in 1885 and 1886, but the caps do not match those seen in any other photos from those years (but the record is incomplete). The manager (in street clothes) looks like Jim Hart, who managed the team in those two seasons only. I've attached below a composite of the 1885 team in street clothes with IDs; in a separate post I'll attach an image of the 1886 post-season barnstorming team.
1885 Louisville Colonels Top Row (L-R): John Kerins (1B), Amos Cross (C), Norm Baker (P), Al Mays (P). Second Row (L-R): Leech Maskrey (LF), Guy Hecker (P/1B), Dan Sullivan (C), Chicken Wolf (RF). Center: Jim Hart (Mgr.). Third Row (L-R): Pete Browning (LF), Phil Reccius (3B), Joe Crotty (C), Monk Cline (3B/LF). Bottom Row (L-R): Joe Miller (SS), Billy Geer (SS), Ed Whiting (DNP*), Tom McLaughlin (2B). *Ed Whiting was a catcher for Louisville in 1884, but did not play for the team in 1885. |
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Jim Hart (Mgr.), center. Clockwise starting after mascot (Jim Hart's son): Tony Hellman (C/DNP), Reddy Mack (2B), Joe Werrick (3B), Paul Cook (1B), Monk Cline (OF/DNP)(under Hart), Dave Foutz (P/DNP), Hub Collins (LF), Phil Reccius (OF), Bill Dighton White (SS). DNP indicates players who did not play on the Louisville team in the 1886 AA season. |
I’m fairly sure it’s the 1887-88 Louisville team. The manager is Honest John Kelly and Lave Cross is top row third from the right. Joe Werrick is in the chair on the far right
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Top Row (L-R): Unknown (maybe Amos Cross, who played for Louisville in 1887 but did not stick with the team in '88), Jimmy "Chicken" Wolf, Paul Cook, John Kerins, Lave Cross, Hub Collins, Elton Chamberlain. Middle Row (L-R): Pete Browning, William Veach (who appeared in one game for Louisville in 1887, but like A. Cross did not play for them in '88), Guy Hecker, John Kelly, Toad Ramsey, Bill White, Joe Werrick. Bottom Row (L-R): Reddy Mack, Scott Stratton, Sam Smith. Edited to add: I have subsequently determined that this is more likely an 1887 image, and a few of the above IDs are incorrect. Read on... |
At least three of these photos apparently have Icebox Chamberlain depicted. Could there be a connection here? Was he on any of the other teams?
The OP is in northern Virginia; Chamberlain died in Baltimore. Very close by. Perhaps an outside shot these were from his estate? Who knows. Is there any writing on the backs of any of these photos? |
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The BHS team photo looks like a bunch of kids. HS has to mean high school. Chamberlain moved to Buffalo when he was very young. Buffalo High School, perhaps?
I dug up some of my old research. Chamberlain stayed in Buffalo until at least 1920, per census records and city directories. He was employed as a mechanic/machinist and sheet metal worker, all in that city. |
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There is a connection! I asked my friend for more info and he tracked it down. This is pretty funny https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...60af3cd1e9.jpg |
1889 Crandall photo
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Here is some information on the Crandall baseball club of Buffalo, 1889.
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The Louisville Courier-Journal reported on May 5, 1887 that new photographs of the Louisville club were done and on exhibition. This is around the same time that Amos Cross left the club due to illness. It sounds like he never retruned, as he died the following summer of consumption.
So that would suggest this photo was early 1887 perhaps? |
Hilarious! Glad to have made the connection. Be sure to ask for some photos of the backs if there is writing on there.
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Edited to add: I found a couple of newspaper articles dated January 1888 that stated that Amos Cross's health was improving, and one of those articles stated that he thought he'd be able to play ball in the coming season. Perhaps he was in spring training, but not as healthy as he had thought? Edited again to add: It seems that William Veach had signed with St. Paul for the 1888 season, and I'm pretty sure that's him in the middle row. Lave Cross was quoted in March 1888 that his brother Amos' health had worsened again, and that he wouldn't be playing ball. Edited one last time to add: I've found an image of Joe Neale, who played for Louisville in 1887 but was not with them in the spring or during the season of 1888. That's Neale in the middle of the bottom row, not Stratton. This must be an 1887 image. My next post will have revised IDs. Neale |
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1887 Louisville Base Ball Club
Top Row (L-R): Amos Cross, Jimmy "Chicken" Wolf, Paul Cook, John Kerins, Lave Cross, Hub Collins, Elton Chamberlain. Middle Row (L-R): Pete Browning, William Veach, Guy Hecker, John Kelly, Tom "Toad" Ramsey, Bill White, Joe Werrick. Bottom Row (L-R): Reddy Mack, Joe Neale, Unknown. |
You guys are incredible
Thank you! The collector that has these photos believes Ice Box Chamberlin is in the photos of men dressed in suits/street clothes Not sure if those are fellow ballplayers or not |
Anybody else wonder what the photo is hanging on the wall to the right of the one plain clothes group photo? Team pic? Can anyone identify? Remember, Chamberlain might be involved.
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I was thinking a print of US presidents through that time. Top is cut off with 18 showing and 22 through that time period… just a guess
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The photos all appear to be of gentlemen from a similar era. Also, it could look like the photos are recessed and the ovals are cut into a mat board.
Above the central photo, the second word strikes me as being "Club", but it's not clear enough to say with certainty. You would think "baseball" to still be spelled as two separate words on a piece from that era, so that first word must be something else. |
1887 Louisville
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BTW Nice job on the identifications. |
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Reccius / Bottom Right |
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