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1952 Topps - The Missing 3
As Topps was winding down its 2nd year of cards they were scrambling to complete the 6th and final series of cards. Berger intended the last series to be the grand finale for the set. Afterall, the 3 major New York teams - Dodgers, Yankees and Giants - were playing well and New York was the largest market for bubble gum. Of the 48 Giants and Dogers included in the set, Topps saved 28 of them for the final series.
In previous interviews Sy Berger said he completely misjudged how long it took to print, package and release the last series of cards, resulting in a release after the World Series concluded. The contract with Mantle, purportedly wasn't even signed until late in the summer. Topps reps scrambled to get the final stars under contract and included in the set - but failed on a number of players and 3 cards had to be replaced. In previous interviews, Berger did not reveal which 3 players were pulled from the last series. However, we know Mantle, Robinson and Thompson were hastily created and double printed. Although we may never know for sure - Sy hinted one player/card was his favorite. Who were those 3 players pulled from the set? |
Thank you for the fascinating post, Zach Wheat. Hopefully, someone will chime in with some definite info. Oh if we only had Sy Berger back, to hit him with 20 questions, including this one-----at what point in time, Sy, did you begin to regret dumping all those cases of the '52 Topps last series into the Atlantic Ocean? --- Brian Powell
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Ted Williams would be an obvious choice, right?
Kiner was in Bowman but not Topps. Nellie Fox. Is this a trivia question where you know the answer or just want some pontificating? |
I'll guess and say Ted Williams, Stan Musial and Whitey Ford.
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Surprisingly Rogers Hornsby was a coach in 1952 as well.
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He has lived an interesting life to date. Well worth reading his interviews |
I would think Joe D is a good candidate, no? I realize 1951 was his final season but he did get a card in the 1952 Berk Ross set and it would have been his only opportunity for a Topps card.
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Maybe not Ted Williams. He spent most of 1952 flying planes in the Korean War/Conflict.
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Williams would have to sign that Topps contract from the cockpit of a F9F Panther.
I think we’re looking at this wrong. The same thing happened in 1953, with six players missing from the set. After several years of speculation, they were revealed to be six benchwarmers, not stars, and that’s most likely who Topps missed on in 1952. It makes sense to me that if they were stars, Sy Berger would have gone all out to get them under contract, but for commons, he went with who he already had. |
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"Sy hinted one player/card was his favorite" |
Some more speculation...and free replicards.
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Someone suggested that Honus Wagner was a coach on the pirates until feb of 1952 and since other pirates coaches were in the high series maybe he was supposed to be in the series.
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It does make sense that they could be people in the military and that’s why the phrase “it took longer that expected to get the contracts signed”
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It's times like this where I wish Ted Z was still with us, to regale us of some tale concerning collecting the 1952 Topps back in the day.
I think Williams and Joe D are plausible. Maybe Casey Stengel? He did get a card in the Bowman issue. Satchel Paige is another possibility as he did get a card in the 1953 Set. |
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No way to tell but I'm curious if cards of the coaches and managers that started with the semi-highs represent slots where Topps was still waiting for a signed contract?
I have doubts Williams was to have appeared in the set as he went on the NDS list (I think that means either Non-Disabled Suspended or Non-Disabled Service) effective 5/2/52. And with DiMaggio retiring on 12/11/51 and being on the Voluntarily Retired List from that date he doesn't seem to fit the contractual parameters for Topps in 1952. I also doubt Musial was a possibility either. Kiner, on the other hand, very much seems like a candidate. It's possible some Berk-Ross contracts were exclusive. All four players above were 1952 B-R subjects. |
I thought the consensus was that the Berk Ross cards were unauthorized, so nobody would have been under an exclusive Berk Ross contract.
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"SEVEN GIANTS POP POPCORN Two popcorn firms have been asked by Supreme Court justice Samuel Gold of New York to show cause why they should not be stopped from placing pasteboard photographs of seven members of the Giants inside bags of their product. Larry Jansen, Bobby Thomson, Sal Maglie, Wes Westrum, Montia Kennedy, Dave Koslo and Bill Rigney also instituted action to recover $50,000 each from the companies on the ground that their pictures were used without their consent." Which led to a Bob Lemke blog post: https://boblemke.blogspot.com/2012/0...nlicensed.html Why only NY Giants players were involved in the suit was not revealed. Lemke also intimates 1952 B-R was sold with gum, which is interesting in context. |
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In a separate interview before his passing, Sy Berger mentioned that the double prints were due to players that were unsigned. As I work out how series were printed, the more I realize there are a lot of interconnected issues and some of the original assumptions on the printing and packaging of cards in each series has exceptions. More on this later. |
Musial doesn't get onto a Topps card until 1958, so I highly doubt he would be a serious contender for the 52 Set.
Same for Ted Williams. He doesn't appear on a Topps card until 1954. I still think Joe D is a likely candidate. Yes, his career was over after the 1951 season but he also gave plenty of hints of his impending retirement and this would have been the only opportunity to feature him on a card. |
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https://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=269235 And another link (worth the read) on how Ted Z found the old printing plates from 1954 Bowman with Williams on it https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=269275 |
I came up with Art Schallock (Yankees), Joe Landrum (Dodgers) and Ray Noble (Giants) once as the possible last three cards, where my reasoning assumed no big names were available. More HERE if you are interested.
I looked at it again with some possible bigger names and came up with Ralph Kiner, Hal Newhouser and Johnny Logan as possibilities. Again, more HERE if interested. It's interesting that no White Sox players are in the highs. |
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Williams was with Berk-Ross, Star-Cal and Redman in 1952 it seems. I'm guessing his Berk-Ross deal could have been exclusive for trading cards with gum; they had DiMaggio too, who wasn't in any Bowman or Topps (1951) sets and I assume they paid up for some players of stature. It's ironic Joe D. was a spokesman for Bowman Color in 1953. |
My feeling is it wasn't an exclusive contract with Berk Ross aka Hit Parade. Admittedly, I am not as versed in the particulars as you would be but Lemke wrote an article on the Berk Ross sets and he suggests the set was unlicensed and they were flirting with the NIL issue. Lemke details that the original lawsuit for NIL $$ actually originated from the Berk Ross set (compensation for 6 of the players was $20) and was filed by the same attorney (Shapiro) for the same reason as the more popular Haelean Lab (aka Bowman) V Topps Inc. lawsuit in 1953. So just a guess here...and its only a guess...but the contract with Williams wasn't exclusive since the compensation was minimal for the players mentioned in the lawsuit. To me, that suggests Hit Parade, et al. had a tight budget. The '51 set included 30 figures not related to baseball. This again suggests that Hit Parade et al. was on a tight budget.
My guess is Topps just couldn't get the contract with Williams signed as he was overseas by July of '52. And Berger has said a number of times Boston was his favorite team growing up, which leads me to think Williams might have been 1 of the 3. Again just a wild guess. |
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Am I reading this right, Berk-Ross may have been partially licensed? I'll have to look at that Lemke piece again. |
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I'd have to check back, but I believe the 1952 players were paid $250. Ralph branca once told a story how he was trying to persuade billy loes to sign for his REPRINT card (was never made since he wouldn't sign) and topps offered the same amount in 1982/83 as they had in 1952. Loes felt they should pay more as it was years later. Branca was trying to convince him the work was done and it would just be free money for signing the authorization. I can't remember where Branca told this.
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David wrote an excellent article on how Topps was rushing to fill the "2nd series" which we now refer to as the 6th series in this article:
https://www.thetoppsarchives.com/sea...pps%20Baseball Great research and information David. Maybe Sy meant to add Wally Berger....Sy had previously referenced Wally as his favorite player. However, at the time Topps was filling out the 6th series subject list, they were scrambling. They had even added Paul Richards who last played with the Detroit Tigers in 1946, so it was not unusual to add an inactive player. Berger last played in 1940 with Philly. |
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Richards is in the 1952 Topps set as the active manager of the White Sox, not an inactive player. Inactive players who were not active coaches were not included. |
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Marv rickert aaa Bob wellman aaa Joe.page active 1950, then not until 54 Off the top of my head Plenty of other players who were not in MLB |
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or long retired guys. They were not including inactive players from the mid 40’s to fill out the set. |
We once did a Topps Gallery thread here for 52 and 54 where everyone posted their cards cards from the entire sets. As I recall each set had some players who never appeared in an MLB game in the year of issue. But I am old and memory fades. Plus all were active in some way in professional baseball
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