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BuzzD 12-14-2023 10:21 AM

Help with 1903 SL NYAL team composite
 
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In recent REA auction I picked up a NYAL 1903 schedule with a team composite that includes Merle "Doc" Adkins - see top left in photo. He played in 2 games late Sept that year.

I also have the 1903 SL portfolio NYAL print from 1906 that has Deering in Adkins' position. He was with team until late Sept in 1903.

Does anyone have print or image of the composite with Adkins, maybe from an SL issue or guide? Cannot find anything online

RUKen 12-14-2023 03:53 PM

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I do not have information regarding the value or scarcity of the composite that you've posted, but I want to point out that the player identified as Adkins is actually George Winter of the Boston Americans. I've included below the Carl Horner image of Winter and an Adkins image for comparison.

BuzzD 12-15-2023 05:15 AM

Nice photo of George tho! They tried...

Schlesinj 12-15-2023 07:20 AM

Since every post needs a card.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...=George+winter

bigfanNY 12-15-2023 02:13 PM

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This is a W601 1903 NYAL with Adkins. So there are at least 2 versions of this. Rare enough without a variation.
Jonathan

Baseball Rarities 12-16-2023 09:00 PM

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Wow. I have never seen a variation in the W601 Premiums before.

I believe that both of the 1903 composites that you guys have pictured are actually a part of the portfolio that was offered in 1904, which depicted the 1903 teams. Here is a 1904 cover along with a Philadelphia AL composite depicting their 1903 team that was a part of the portfolio.

BuzzD 12-17-2023 04:22 AM

I did not realize that there was a 1904 portfolio series. That seems like the likely source of the Adkins variation.

bigfanNY 12-17-2023 07:25 PM

I have to disagree with your theory that both W601's originated in a 1904 portfolio. First off my copy doesn't have the holes on the left border for the string. It seems more likely that early copies sold as singles had the Adkins and later copies. Like the OP's copy with the 3 holes on the left border came from a portfolio.

bigfanNY 12-17-2023 07:46 PM

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This is the 1906 NYAL print. Issued I believe in the 1907 Portfolio.
I have discussed variations in printing with SB1 in the past. Dark ink vs light red tint brown tint. But given the overall scarcity of W601's I am not sure much in the way of variations has ever been cataloged. But The Adkins we are discussing is the first player variation I have seen.

Baseball Rarities 12-18-2023 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by bigfanNY (Post 2397855)
I have to disagree with your theory that both W601's originated in a 1904 portfolio. First off my copy doesn't have the holes on the left border for the string.

I think that you are right. I assumed that they both had the holes on the on their left hand borders. Examples with full borders and no holes were surely issued as individual premiums by The Sporting Life and were not a part of their bound portfolios.

I need to look in my files and see if I have images of the ads in The Sporting Life to see when the individual premiums were offered for sale compared to the complete portfolios. I am not sure which ones came first.

Baseball Rarities 12-18-2023 03:46 PM

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Here is an ad from page 10 of the March 17, 1906 issue of The Sporting Life which is offering individual composites featuring teams from 1902 to 1905. They were 6 cents each or 50 cents for a dozen.

These are the individual premiums without holes that Jonathan referred to above.

The listed teams match up perfectly with the complete bound portfolios that were offered on a yearly basis.

These premiums with three holes on their left borders come from these bound portfolios.


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