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JustSomeGuy 10-08-2023 12:11 AM

Topps Venezuela '68 misprint/error?
 
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Hi everyone! I'm new around here. And really hoping to get some help with a particular card I just came across. I can't find a comp for it, and I'm really just looking to get more information about it.
My father-in-law was raised in Venezuela, and recently asked me to take a look at his small baseball card collection, which includes Topps 1962, 64, 66 and 68 Venezuela cards. There's some really great ones in there if you want to chat about those, but the card that has stopped me in my tracks is from the Topps Venezuela 1968 set. It is basically two cards in one, and is confounding to me. The face of the card says "Yaz Smashes Two Homers"... this card's corresponding number is supposed to be #152 in the set, but when I turn the card over, it shows #107 and the checklist that corresponds to the Juan Marichal checklist card. In short, it's the face of #152 and the back of #107.

Has anyone here seen or heard of any kind of misprint or error like this in this particular set/series? I'd love to know if this is something that might be considered an error, if it's one-of-a-kind, or even if it was a pretty common misprint during those days.

Thanks for any help or guidance you may be able to provide.

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https://www.net54baseball.com/attach...1&d=1696745085
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Lucas00 10-08-2023 01:22 AM

This is actually a known error.
I believe the error is actually the front. I don't think the yaz #152 exists in the '68 Venezuelan set as its own card, only as the error. Don't quote me though!

Edit: I'm wrong the card #152 of Carl with the correct back is a thing. Seems to actually be rarer than the error which is interesting.

Also, Nice first post!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/39488597968...mis&media=COPY

swarmee 10-08-2023 04:30 AM

https://www.psacard.com/auctionprice...auction/594761
I was going to say that unless the variation is checklisted that PSA won't grade it, but they do. However, they should really have two different registry slots for this card, since the card exists as a full checklist.
https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/c...0/images/1.jpg

Cliff Bowman 10-08-2023 09:55 AM

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Edit: I'm wrong the card #152 of Carl with the correct back is a thing. Seems to actually be rarer than the error which is interesting.

I didn't know that, I thought all 1968 Topps Venezuelan World Series Game #2 (Yaz) cards had the Checklist back. I also learned recently that there are 1968 Venezuelan Checklist 2 cards with the World Series Game #2 (Yaz) backs so apparently the Venezuelan printers mixed up either the fronts or the backs of those two cards on the sheet.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/30512115689...Bk9SR4r4wP7hYg

swarmee 10-08-2023 12:45 PM

Went for cheap, I guess. Would be worth a bunch more if PSA slabs it and adds those slots to the 1968 Topps Venezuela(n) registry set.

JustinD 10-09-2023 09:31 AM

Not much quality production in any of the Vene sets, lol. I have some lovely print errors from Vene's in my collection.

If the annoying seller and prior member Toppsaholic wasn't constantly overpaying on snipes for errors when I am bidding I would have more, lol. Then they join his error eBay museum at insane prices to live on forever.

JustSomeGuy 10-09-2023 12:00 PM

thanks!
 
Wow! This was all incredibly helpful and quite interesting. I knew I had come to the right place! I really appreciate you all.
If I have any other questions or come across anything else really interesting, I'll let you all know. As my original post said, I'm going through my father-in-law's cards, mostly from 1962-68 - all of them from the Venezuela sets. Still trying to figure out what, exactly, he wants to do with them. And trying not to get scammed in the process!

swarmee 10-09-2023 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JustSomeGuy (Post 2379376)
Wow! This was all incredibly helpful and quite interesting. I knew I had come to the right place! I really appreciate you all.
If I have any other questions or come across anything else really interesting, I'll let you all know. As my original post said, I'm going through my father-in-law's cards, mostly from 1962-68 - all of them from the Venezuela sets. Still trying to figure out what, exactly, he wants to do with them. And trying not to get scammed in the process!

Comc.com is a great place to sell them. They have one really big seller of Venezuelan Topps cards, but could use another.

Rrrlyons 10-09-2023 11:09 PM

The checklist card does come with both backs but the yaz World Series card only comes with the checklist back. No one has ever produced a correct copy for the yaz so has always been assumed it doesn’t exist.
Rick

Lucas00 10-10-2023 12:01 AM

Topps Venezuela '68 misprint/error?
 
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Originally Posted by Rrrlyons (Post 2379461)
The checklist card does come with both backs but the yaz World Series card only comes with the checklist back. No one has ever produced a correct copy for the yaz so has always been assumed it doesn’t exist.

Rick



It does exist, somebody on tcdb has one, and posted it. Check it out.
Messaged them to make sure it wasn’t a checklist back. Will update when they get back to me.

https://www.tcdb.com/ViewCard.cfm/si...rs?PageIndex=2

swarmee 10-10-2023 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucas00 (Post 2379465)
It does exist, somebody on tcdb has one, and posted it. Check it out.
Messaged them to make sure it wasn’t a checklist back. Will update when they get back to me.

https://www.tcdb.com/ViewCard.cfm/si...rs?PageIndex=2

It's possible that this is a kluge of either the wrong back from Marichal front and the wrong front from a 107 back. No guarantee the owner had both halves on the same card.

Cliff Bowman 10-10-2023 07:28 AM

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Here are the two cards on the 2nd Series sheet that were somehow flipped on the Venezuelan sheet. There are two distinctly different #107 Juan Marichal Series 2 Checklists, one was printed from the 1st Series sheet and one was printed fom the 2nd Series sheet. The 1st Series printed Marichal Checklist will always have the correct back but the 2nd Series printed Marichal Checklist should have the World Series wrong back. The question now is, are there World Series Game #2 and 2nd Series sheet Marichal Checklist #2 cards printed with the correct backs?

Rrrlyons 10-10-2023 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucas00 (Post 2379465)
It does exist, somebody on tcdb has one, and posted it. Check it out.
Messaged them to make sure it wasn’t a checklist back. Will update when they get back to me.

https://www.tcdb.com/ViewCard.cfm/si...rs?PageIndex=2

That person just takes images from different places and posts them in TCDB. He doesn’t have those cards. So if you contact him if you get a response I’m sure that’s what you’re going to find.

Rrrlyons 10-10-2023 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by swarmee (Post 2379484)
It's possible that this is a kluge of either the wrong back from Marichal front and the wrong front from a 107 back. No guarantee the owner had both halves on the same card.

Correct he just takes other peoples images and posts them there.

Cliff Bowman 10-10-2023 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Rrrlyons (Post 2379527)
That person just takes images from different places and posts them in TCDB. He doesn’t have those cards. So if you contact him if you get a response I’m sure that’s what you’re going to find.

So that confirms the 1968 Venezuelan World Series Game #2 and Marichal Checklist 2 with right shoulder visible can only be found with flipped backs?

Rrrlyons 10-10-2023 09:45 AM

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Rrrlyons 10-10-2023 09:48 AM

These are the three checklists I have and yes the error back ones have a different cropping of the picture than the correct one

Rrrlyons 10-10-2023 09:50 AM

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Cliff Bowman 10-10-2023 10:17 AM

Thank you for posting the checklists, that means the Marichal Checklist printed on the Series 1 sheet has wide mesh and no right shoulder and has the correct back, the Marichal Checklist printed on the Series 2 sheet has fine mesh and right shoulder visible and an incorrect World Series Game 2 back.

JustSomeGuy 10-10-2023 10:08 PM

You guys are incredible! All of this is really interesting stuff! It's only been a couple of days and I'm flabbergasted at the wealth of knowledge you all have that I wasn't able to find through other Internet searches. I'm glad I found and signed up to this forum!


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