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Jobu 09-10-2023 09:52 PM

M101-5 Successful Farming Help Needed
 
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I have the Eddie Burns card below. To me, it looks like it is almost certainly rebacked. I don't think I have had an M101-5 before and definitely have not had a Successful Farming card. My question: Is this a skinned Burns glued to a skinned back? Is it a skinned Burns glued to a possibly complete M101-5? The card is pretty thick - the last image is this card compared to a T206. I suppose I am wondering whether a soak might reveal a complete M101-5 Successful Farming under the skinned Burns addition to the top.

Thanks

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boneheadandrube 09-10-2023 10:10 PM

There shouldn't be two colored layers like that.

nolemmings 09-10-2023 11:38 PM

Well, the first sign of something being off is that Eddie Burns is supposed to be card #17 in m101-5, and yours is #18. Because Successful Farming cards are associated with m101-5 only, your card seems dubious.

ValKehl 09-11-2023 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by nolemmings (Post 2371873)
Well, the first sign of something being off is that Eddie Burns is supposed to be card #17 in m101-5, and yours is #18. Because Successful Farming cards are associated with m101-5 only, your card seems dubious.

And, Eddie Burns is listed as being card #18 for the M101-4 sets.

Leon 09-11-2023 08:46 AM

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Also, a telltale sign is that the card picture (background) looks to be the same color as the borders on yours. Those borders should be a distinctively different shade than the pic itself. Note the whiter borders on this rare Salesmans sample....

ValKehl 09-11-2023 08:57 AM

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Leon, how are you able to determine that your SF card is a rare salesman's sample?

rhettyeakley 09-11-2023 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ValKehl (Post 2371948)
Leon, how are you able to determine that your SF card is a rare salesman's sample?

The lack of a card number at bottom

nolemmings 09-11-2023 11:15 AM

Bryan, your card is interesting, and I would love to take a closer look should you care to send it. To answer your other question, I do not believe from your scans that the front is affixed to a whole different Successful Farming card, but I would need to have it in hand to better tell from thickness.

The back looks legit, and because it displays only minor creasing or wrinkling along the bottom I wonder what front damage could have prompted someone to try and place a different front photo; i.e. why go to the trouble? The front also looks legit to m101, IMO, at least from what I see (maybe a touch washed out). The problems pointing toward a possible “Frankenstein” are the numbering I mentioned and the fact that the edges do not match up–the front protrudes slightly. I also am skeptical about that darker streak that shows along the back right side from top to bottom. It looks like pressure may have been applied there to hold the front and back together. It is at a minimum a bit unnatural looking.

Anyway, here is a #17 Successful Farming Eddie Burns (not mine), later slabbed as an SGC 10.
https://photos.imageevent.com/imover...rge/burnse.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/imover...ge/burnse2.jpg

ValKehl 09-11-2023 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rhettyeakley (Post 2371974)
The lack of a card number at bottom

Thanks Rhett. I was looking all over the back of Leon's card for something that made it different from the back of my card. Learn something new every day!

Rhotchkiss 09-11-2023 12:14 PM

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Here is another no-number salesman sample (used to be Leon’s).

nolemmings 09-11-2023 12:26 PM

Nice cards. Here is one of mine-- note they have slightly wider borders:

https://photos.imageevent.com/imover...rge/Lajoie.jpg

These should probably be called promo cards rather than salesman samples, as they were available directly from the publisher:

https://photos.imageevent.com/imover...ay16ad_SF2.jpg

Aaron Seefeldt 09-11-2023 02:43 PM

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My favorite of all the m101-4&5 backs

Jobu 09-12-2023 05:28 PM

Does anyone have a raw Successful Farming? And if so could you take a pic of the edge with a T206 as I have done? I am trying to figure out if it is worth giving this a soak to see what happens.

nolemmings 09-12-2023 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jobu (Post 2372395)
Does anyone have a raw Successful Farming? And if so could you take a pic of the edge with a T206 as I have done? I am trying to figure out if it is worth giving this a soak to see what happens.

I would not recommend soaking an m101, other than at most dabbing at it for residue removal. If you believe soaking would separate two adhered cards I think you will end up with cardboard chowder. If you are unhappy with the card and don't want much for it, I might be interested.

T206's are thinner than m101s. Also, the fact that there are different looking layers is not dispositive. Here is a Gimbels card (Al Demaree) I recently looked at from the edge view:
https://photos.imageevent.com/imover..._13_22_Pro.jpg

I have a few Successful Farming cards ungraded, and will try and hook up the microscope camera to show a comparable, but that could take a few days.


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