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rand1com 10-03-2022 01:26 PM

Help Identifying Photo
 
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My belief is that this is a circa 1916 Boston Red Sox original photo picturing Dick Hoblitzell and team mates standing beside/behind a wreath that has a ribbon with "Success" on it.

I assume this is opening day in Boston in 1916 and the wreath was to honor the 1915 World Series Champion Red Sox. The photo is affixed to a cardboard backing so no way to see the back and I am not going to try and remove it.

I am pretty certain it is a Type l as the photographer, Richard W. Sears Boston is imprinted on the left and right sides of the photo in raised letters. I know that Sears was a famous photographer in this time period but his specialty was more historical than sports related. He passed away in 1955.

Any help identifying the celebration event other than my supposition would be appreciated.

D. Bergin 10-03-2022 01:37 PM

Is there any way to see exactly what it says on all those posters, the players are holding?

rand1com 10-03-2022 01:45 PM

Unfortunately, even with a loupe I cannot make it out. It has "Today" on it but cannot tell anything else.

Also, I have not yet been able to identify the two men in suits. I assume maybe AL President and Boston owner who may have been Harry Frazee at this time but I have not found pictures to match up yet.

Southpaw85 10-03-2022 02:22 PM

War Bonds?
 
Just a guess, though a quick google search suggests WW1 bonds didn't begin until 1917...

"Buy To-Day at (army/every) ????"

Edit: https://www.ebay.com/itm/303343422534
"buy to-day at any bank (buy liberty bonds)"

Edit 2: Try 4/6/1918 - Exhibition game in NO, LA @ Pelican Stadium

D. Bergin 10-03-2022 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Southpaw85 (Post 2269712)
Just a guess, though a quick google search suggests WW1 bonds didn't begin until 1917...

"Buy To-Day at (army/every) ????"

Edit: https://www.ebay.com/itm/303343422534
"buy to-day at any bank (buy liberty bonds)"

Edit 2: Try 4/6/1918 - Exhibition game in NO, LA @ Pelican Stadium


Yeah, that definitely looks like the same signage.

D. Bergin 10-03-2022 03:08 PM

Babe probably hidden behind the big floral arrangement. :D

bgar3 10-03-2022 04:14 PM

Sears did other Red Sox photos, at least as early as 1912.

rand1com 10-03-2022 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Southpaw85 (Post 2269712)
Just a guess, though a quick google search suggests WW1 bonds didn't begin until 1917...

"Buy To-Day at (army/every) ????"

Edit: https://www.ebay.com/itm/303343422534
"buy to-day at any bank (buy liberty bonds)"

Edit 2: Try 4/6/1918 - Exhibition game in NO, LA @ Pelican Stadium

Thanks. Seems to match up with the Buy Liberty Bonds parade held that day but the game was rained out so not sure about the ceremony on the field.

Maybe the rain started after the ceremony. I am pretty sure that is Harry Frazee on the left shaking hands but I have not figured out the other man's identity yet.

If anyone knows who it is, please let me know.

D. Bergin 10-03-2022 06:34 PM

Am I the only one wondering what the deal is with that half sweater Hoblitzell is wearing?

rand1com 10-03-2022 06:48 PM

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Am I the only one wondering what the deal is with that half sweater Hoblitzell is wearing?

No, I wondered the same thing. Looks ridiculous at best.

EddieP 10-04-2022 06:14 AM

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Unfortunately, even with a loupe I cannot make it out. It has "Today" on it but cannot tell anything else.

Also, I have not yet been able to identify the two men in suits. I assume maybe AL President and Boston owner who may have been Harry Frazee at this time but I have not found pictures to match up yet.

The AL President was Ban Johnson. But I don’t think that is him.

jcmtiger 10-04-2022 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 2269786)
Am I the only one wondering what the deal is with that half sweater Hoblitzell is wearing?

Maybe his left arm is injured?

rand1com 10-04-2022 10:15 AM

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The AL President was Ban Johnson. But I don’t think that is him.

I agree. It is not Johnson. May be the governor of Louisiana or mayor of New Orleans since the parade and game was being held there.

Southpaw85 10-04-2022 11:21 AM

Fenway?
 
A 1916 Fenway photo, note 'Cadillac Service Station'
https://www.bc.edu/bc-web/bcnews/new...raditions.html

D. Bergin 10-04-2022 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Southpaw85 (Post 2269967)
A 1916 Fenway photo, note 'Cadillac Service Station'
https://www.bc.edu/bc-web/bcnews/new...raditions.html


Yeah, that certainly looks like the same park to me.

EddieP 10-04-2022 11:35 AM

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Yeah, that certainly looks like the same park to me.

I think the guy to the right was Andrew James Peters. He was Boston’s Mayor from 1918-1922. Before that he was the Asst Secy of the Treasury from 1914-1917.

Southpaw85 10-04-2022 11:40 AM

And my last contribution - thanks for helping tickle the puzzle parts of my brain during some down time last 24hrs.... Looking forward to learning exact story behind photo.

Mayor Andrew Peters - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_James_Peters
Opening Day 1918, with interesting illustration included (and both a Win and single for Ruth) - https://fenwayparkdiaries.com/1918%2...04-15-1918.htm

D. Bergin 10-04-2022 11:49 AM

Wow, great job guys. I think that just about wraps it up.

nolemmings 10-04-2022 12:50 PM

game (and pre-game) summary
 
Kind of interesting that Hoblitzell was just named captain that year and less than two months after this picture was taken would be off to serve his country, never to return to the Big Leagues.

https://photos.imageevent.com/imover..._16_page_7.jpg

nolemmings 10-04-2022 01:27 PM

from the Boston Post
 
seems the Boston Globe was generous in taking attendance (another report had the crowd at 7200)
https://photos.imageevent.com/imover...4%20122018.jpg

EddieP 10-04-2022 01:35 PM

Nice newspaper clipping. It explains the entire photo.

rand1com 10-04-2022 01:53 PM

Yes. If a question cannot be answered by the members of this forum, it is likely an unanswerable question. I'm still a little confused as the article says Tommy Connolly gave the ball to the mayor after the first pitch of the game but that clearly is not Tommy Connolly shaking hands with the mayor. It clearly looks to be Frazee to me. The mayor is holding a baseball in the photo so still a little confusing but much more clarity than I originally had. At least I opined it was an opening day ceremony. I was just two years early.

D. Bergin 10-04-2022 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by rand1com (Post 2270009)
Yes. If a question cannot be answered by the members of this forum, it is likely an unanswerable question. I'm still a little confused as the article says Tommy Connolly gave the ball to the mayor after the first pitch of the game but that clearly is not Tommy Connolly shaking hands with the mayor. It clearly looks to be Frazee to me. The mayor is holding a baseball in the photo so still a little confusing but much more clarity than I originally had. At least I opined it was an opening day ceremony. I was just two years early.

It makes sense to me. Umpire hands the Mayor the ball, walks away and hand shakes and posing begins. Maybe there was also a picture taken of Connolly handing over the ball, but we may never know unless it's residing in another collection somewhere, or the photographer didn't get the timing right, or it just never survived.

nolemmings 10-04-2022 03:18 PM

The way I interpreted it was all of this celebrating took place prior to the game. Frazee hands the ball to the mayor so that he can throw out the first pitch right before play ball, mayor throws out ceremonial pitch and the ump then hands it to the mayor, who is now in the stands.

Seems the whole production was handled differently than in today's game, because the account says the mayor served up the pitch to Rube Oldring, who would have been the lead-off hitter for the visiting Athletics. Obviously he was required to take the pitch and it did not actually go against the count. Now of course there is no batter in the box.

rand1com 10-04-2022 06:35 PM

Thanks. Your sequence of events makes sense.


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