Originally Posted by EddieP (Post 2241118)

1935 Muratti Cigarette , D. Poynton

https://www.ebay.com/itm/31379990195...wAAOSwwIxhv9up

Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 2241207)

they finally stopped calling the youths companion marquard a ruth...why havent they stopped with the muratti?

Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 2241116)

It really irks me when there are issues/cards proven by the community(many of us) to not be what they are advertised to be. Here is one such example. The supposed 1934 tour of japan postcard. All evidence I've seen/heard points a much later issue.

Please show other examples where TPG'ers got/still continue to get it wrong.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/25561388204...2045&recoPos=2

Originally Posted by oldjudge (Post 2241351)

I know grading Old Judges is tough but the image has to count a little.

Originally Posted by glynparson (Post 2241399)

Most of these aren’t the case of the companies not knowing but simple data entry errors that honestly should have probably been caught on verification but were probably rushed out the door. Mistakes happen and always will. Especially knowing how easy it is to mistakingly hit the wrong thing on a drop down. Now the. Cracker Jack is egregious and an embarrassment and one I can’t figure out how it happened. But most were simple mistakes not actually ignorance. Expecting perfection makes you an idiot. Of course that’s what we should shoot for but it’s an unrealistic expectation. I assure you some people at these companies know more than you unless you are Kevin struss or john rumirez. You aren’t smarter about cards than the best guys at sgc or PSA. Maybe the worst ones but not the best. And maybe certain issues but not cards across all the different eras and sports.

Originally Posted by glynparson (Post 2241399)

Most of these aren’t the case of the companies not knowing but simple data entry errors that honestly should have probably been caught on verification but were probably rushed out the door. Mistakes happen and always will. Especially knowing how easy it is to mistakingly hit the wrong thing on a drop down.

Originally Posted by glynparson (Post 2241399)

Now the. Cracker Jack is egregious and an embarrassment and one I can’t figure out how it happened.

Originally Posted by glynparson (Post 2241399)

But most were simple mistakes not actually ignorance. Expecting perfection makes you an idiot.

Originally Posted by glynparson (Post 2241399)

Of course that’s what we should shoot for but it’s an unrealistic expectation. I assure you some people at these companies know more than you unless you are Kevin struss or john rumirez. You aren’t smarter about cards than the best guys at sgc or PSA. Maybe the worst ones but not the best. And maybe certain issues but not cards across all the different eras and sports.

Originally Posted by G1911 (Post 2241352)

The Cracker Jack Mack might just be my favorite for how bad of a reprint it is. And at least 2 of their graders still thought it was real.

That the vast majority of collectors will stay pay much, much more $ for a card in PSA’s slab will never cease to amaze me.

Originally Posted by G1911 (Post 2241439)

Agreed.



A preponderance of the available evidence would suggest that 2 of their graders could not tell a Dover reprint from a real one.



I don't think anyone expects perfection. Most of the ones in this thread are just amusing data entry errors, there are numerous far more serious examples of incompetence (or corruption), starting with the very first card in their system, a trimmed PSA 8 Wagner fraud.



This is largely the problem. PSA rests on an appeal to authority, that they are experts specially able or talented and their seal of approval and grade on a card thus is justified in creating multipliers of value. And yet they've certified hundreds or even thousands of trimmed cards from a single fraud ring (PWCC's) alone, they've certified the most obvious of fakes like Dover Connie Mack's, they misidentify many cards and sets (to cite one of many examples, they still don't know seem to know the difference between T218 and T219 and consistently grade one as the other), PSA 8's become PSA 10's seemingly at random, their foundational card is an altered fraud, etc. and so on and so forth. One doesn't have to nitpick or dig far to find tons of examples, and this is being fairly generous by only accusing them of incompetency. They are inconsistent, often misidentify, frequently miss or simply ignore (at best) altered cards, and occasionally grade the most ridiculous of fakes that are not even good fakes.

An appeal to authority while having these problems rings especially hollow. Whether "some people at these companies" know more than peons like me is, of course, utterly irrelevant. A claim or statement is true or false based on the merits of itself, not of the person making it. We don't even know who is actually grading a card, even if an appeal to authority was valid.