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Tao_Moko 12-28-2021 06:39 PM

Bulgaria Ruth - HOT?
 
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Has anyone noticed prices on the 1932 Bulgaria Ruth/Schmelling lately? Nice copies were sub $500 not long ago. It is during his playing years and prominently features Ruth. Also the 2 biggest sports figures of the time. I think it deserves some attention.

albrshbr 12-28-2021 07:15 PM

It's like every other card for the past 2 years. Look at the Churchman's baseball (Ruth)

Exhibitman 12-28-2021 07:17 PM

It's getting some respect. Recent sales:

eBay
PSA 8 $1,613
PSA 5 $911

REA
SGC 6 $690

brianp-beme 12-29-2021 12:30 AM

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Double-sided Bulgaria Ruth cards are even hotter...why settle for two distinguished gentleman when you can have three all glued together?

Brian

Snowman 12-29-2021 03:28 AM

I think the Bulgaria and the Churchmans are both way undervalued still.

ullmandds 12-29-2021 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Snowman (Post 2179712)
I think the Bulgaria and the Churchmans are both way undervalued still.

meh...foreign issues...esp baseball have never been terribly popular/valuable.

I'm surprised how sanellas...and the variants have taken off seeing as these aren't really cards...atleast not to me. Another example of how the TPG'ers have created a market for some cards.

i believe churchmans...like many british tobacco are quite plentiful.

A rising tide raises all ships...no doubt...and any and all period ruths will/should continue to rise.

Heck even some non playing day ruths are commanding high prices...like the auction that ended here last night?

mrreality68 12-29-2021 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Snowman (Post 2179712)
I think the Bulgaria and the Churchmans are both way undervalued still.

+1 Agreed but they have a slower upward curve but the prices are rising and as other Ruth Cards get more expensive people will be looking at these as the next "Affordable" for now options.

kc19990 12-29-2021 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Snowman (Post 2179712)
I think the Bulgaria and the Churchmans are both way undervalued still.


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conor912 12-29-2021 11:44 AM

Churchman is a far superior image to Bulgaria, IMO.

Tao_Moko 12-29-2021 02:23 PM

The Bulgaria Ruth and other similar issues hit some middle ground for me. Not worth anything near a Goudey Ruth but still an actual card during his playing years. As mentioned above it's rapidly becoming one of the handful of issues that is even remotely affordable for the guy with less than $3k to spend. By the time they hit that realm then you enter the next tier and at some point no longer a less than $3k card. I have two and hope they do well though don't really have any reason to wish climbing prices either. Just seems the way things go. I've noticed an increase in passing and good to hear others thoughts. Good news for those wanting one is it will likely have a long time before it consistently hits the $3k+ mark and patience will still find a decent card in that $500-600 range with beaters for less.

ullmandds 12-29-2021 03:17 PM

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I also prefer the churchman/shonen image over the sanella...bulgaria. And I agree that the demand for playing day ruths will only go up...all ruths for that matter! And the day may come when you look on ebay for sanella ruths and there ARENT 28 to choose from...like it used to be with t206 cobbs and goudey ruths!!!!

Exhibitman 12-29-2021 04:25 PM

Obscure Ruths were my thing 10-20 years ago, which is why I never purchased a 1933 Goudey. I just hope there is enough momentum on some of the obscure ones to get them into a place where I can trade into a Goudey.

JMANOS 12-30-2021 06:00 AM

Heres a deal on a Ruth
 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/124794272022 on a Churchman Ruth

plus its in his playing days

Jstottlemire1 12-30-2021 06:05 AM

The only negative to the Churchman that has steered me away from its purchase is it indicates no where on the card “Babe Ruth”

JMANOS 12-30-2021 06:08 AM

It does on the Japaneese card above fyi
 
same pose but yes it doesn't say Babe Ruth. Its the most affordable Ruth card in his playing days without question.

egri 12-30-2021 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jstottlemire1 (Post 2180045)
The only negative to the Churchman that has steered me away from its purchase is it indicates no where on the card “Babe Ruth”

I think that was intentional on Churchman’s part, to avoid having to pay licensing fees.

JMANOS 01-01-2022 06:41 AM

1962 Dickson Babe Ruth
 
this does have his name on back but also is a foreign issue..not to difficult to find Ruth card

Exhibitman 01-01-2022 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 2179869)
I also prefer the churchman/shonen image over the sanella...bulgaria. And I agree that the demand for playing day ruths will only go up...all ruths for that matter! And the day may come when you look on ebay for sanella ruths and there ARENT 28 to choose from...like it used to be with t206 cobbs and goudey ruths!!!!

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...e%20Ruth_1.jpg

That Japan tour image was quite popular...

Tao_Moko 01-01-2022 04:42 PM

The Bulgaria has a pretty clear image of Ruth, at a game, with another super star athlete(not a bird, kid or generically implied). Identified as Ruth on the card and not just the flip. Those are key points for me in considering it's appeal. That is it's appeal as a foreign non baseball issue.

brianp-beme 01-01-2022 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Tao_Moko (Post 2180985)
The Bulgaria has a pretty clear image of Ruth, at a game, with another super star athlete(not a bird, kid or generically implied). Identified as Ruth on the card and not just the flip. Those are key points for me in considering it's appeal. That is it's appeal as a foreign non baseball issue.

Same with me. As a bonus he is pictured in his baseball uniform. I prefer his Bulgaria card over the 1931 Josetti card that features him in a suit with Harold Lloyd, with only one of the Babe's hands on a bat connecting the image to baseball.

Brian - image from the internet

GasHouseGang 01-01-2022 08:41 PM

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What do you think this obscure Ruth card might be worth now?

ullmandds 01-01-2022 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GasHouseGang (Post 2181057)
What do you think this obscure Ruth card might be worth now?

pretty sure one of those recently sold for a few hundred?

Mmcar 01-01-2022 09:36 PM

What year and issue is that ruth from?

Exhibitman 01-01-2022 10:49 PM

Here's another obscure Ruth that should be poised for a big run, if you can find one:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...mes%20Home.jpg

Tao_Moko 01-02-2022 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman (Post 2181078)
Here's another obscure Ruth that should be poised for a big run, if you can find one:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...mes%20Home.jpg

Lol. I have a stack of Ruth boxing mutoscope slides that are going to be big bucks too. *They are cool though.

GasHouseGang 01-02-2022 02:47 PM

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What year and issue is that ruth from?

I'm not sure, but the card shows Tom Mix and Babe Ruth. Since Mix started on the radio in 1933 and was popular into the 1950's, I would guess in the 1930's. I picked up the entire set and it includes the viewer and instructions but nothing has a date printed on it. Here are a few pictures of the set.

Tao_Moko 01-02-2022 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GasHouseGang (Post 2181057)
What do you think this obscure Ruth card might be worth now?

The value here is in 2x Ruth handcut Keystone cards. Double your money on ebay at $250/ea. I'm joking, or am I.....mwah ha ha ha(evil laugh)

JMANOS 01-06-2022 05:41 AM

How about the 1935 Whitman Babe Ruth
 
a comic type card from his playing days thats fairly obtainable...u know if that value goes higher Babe is HOT

Exhibitman 01-06-2022 01:14 PM

More Ruth crap, 1963 GAD:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...034%20Ruth.jpg

PSA slabs these, BTW.

Phil Arem 01-06-2022 01:45 PM

R94 Ruth
 
Adam:
I picked up an R94 Ruth a few years back. I thought its issue date was 1929?

GasHouseGang 01-06-2022 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Phil Arem (Post 2182705)
Adam:
I picked up an R94 Ruth a few years back. I thought its issue date was 1929?

I don't know when the cards came out, but according to IMDb the movie came out in May of 1927.

BabyRuth 01-06-2022 02:28 PM

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Some more Babe Comes Home cards

isiahfan 01-06-2022 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 2179718)
meh...foreign issues...esp baseball have never been terribly popular/valuable.

I'm surprised how sanellas...and the variants have taken off seeing as these aren't really cards...atleast not to me. Another example of how the TPG'ers have created a market for some cards.

i believe churchmans...like many british tobacco are quite plentiful.

A rising tide raises all ships...no doubt...and any and all period ruths will/should continue to rise.

Heck even some non playing day ruths are commanding high prices...like the auction that ended here last night?

For basketball PC'ers it is quite the opposite as far as pre ~1994ish goes...especially for stickers. Most of the 1980-1994 stuff is incredibly tough to obtain in original condition (wrappers/cards/stickers) and I would say is the most sought-after player items since basketball didn't have much going on from 1980-1986.

Exhibitman 01-08-2022 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by isiahfan (Post 2182801)
For basketball PC'ers it is quite the opposite as far as pre ~1994ish goes...especially for stickers. Most of the 1980-1994 stuff is incredibly tough to obtain in original condition (wrappers/cards/stickers) and I would say is the most sought-after player items since basketball didn't have much going on from 1980-1986.

Not sure I follow. Compared to any of the non-mainstream basketball from the pre-1980 period, anything made after 1980 is common. There's stuff in the catalogs I've never seen 'in the wild', or rarely seen. And, since we need a card:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...er%20Felix.jpg

isiahfan 01-08-2022 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman (Post 2183496)
Not sure I follow. Compared to any of the non-mainstream basketball from the pre-1980 period, anything made after 1980 is common. There's stuff in the catalogs I've never seen 'in the wild', or rarely seen. And, since we need a card:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...er%20Felix.jpg


What I am saying is...as a top PC'er of an 80's star basketball player...is that the foreign oddballs from 1980-early 90's are the most sought-after cards of such players (i.e. Greek paninis, Israeli elite stickers, Argentina stickers, gigantes items, French majeurs, all of the Yugo and Russian cards, Japanese and Chinese magazine stock cards, etc.). The early star cards, fakes, etc. are just much more plentiful.

Exhibitman 01-08-2022 08:18 PM

Ahh I see; that makes sense.

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...%20Johnson.jpg

Leon 01-10-2022 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 2181058)
pretty sure one of those recently sold for a few hundred?

Those stereoviews are fairly common. I would estimate less than 100 dollars on it.
But everything Ruth is going up...

and a boomerang from my first collection. Always like miscut cards...

https://luckeycards.com/pr321goudeyruth.jpg


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