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incugator 12-20-2021 08:18 PM

A psa 1?
 
I’m a bit perplexed. This has to be the best 34 butterfinger I have ever seen. A touch of wavy paper but no folds or creasing. The lower right corner I though made this card a 3. Can anybody explain the 1 grade. No tape or paper loss on the back? Totally clean.

incugator 12-20-2021 08:24 PM

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I had trouble with the photo

Casey2296 12-20-2021 08:24 PM

Pic?

Seven 12-20-2021 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by incugator (Post 2177086)
I’m a bit perplexed. This has to be the best 34 butterfinger I have ever seen. A touch of wavy paper but no folds or creasing. The lower right corner I though made this card a 3. Can anybody explain the 1 grade. No tape or paper loss on the back? Totally clean.

I don't think the photo attached properly, because there's nothing here. I will say this though, I have heard from an overwhelming amount of people that PSA, from different card groups on FB that PSA has gotten a hell of a lot stricter with their vintage grading. I can also say that there are many collectors out there who "buy the card, not the grade" And if it's as nice as you describe, I'm sure that will be the case, should you turn around and sell it.

Casey2296 12-20-2021 08:26 PM

I would guess the grader was rebuffed by his wife the night before and came to work angry.

KCRfan1 12-20-2021 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Casey2296 (Post 2177094)
I would guess the grader was rebuffed by his wife the night before and came to work angry.

+1

That's why I've been pissed off for the past 3 years ! :eek:

Yoda 12-20-2021 08:55 PM

Perhaps he is being rebuffed every night.

Gorditadogg 12-20-2021 08:55 PM

I'd say it's because of the "wavy paper". Probably got wet at some point and dried out like that.

todeen 12-20-2021 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by incugator (Post 2177086)
I’m a bit perplexed. This has to be the best 34 butterfinger I have ever seen. A touch of wavy paper but no folds or creasing. The lower right corner I though made this card a 3. Can anybody explain the 1 grade. No tape or paper loss on the back? Totally clean.

Most 1934 Butterfinger grade 1. I have seen some really nice examples graded 1. I think their thinness and fragility just pushes their grade low. When I see a 2 or 3, I'm never really sure what separates them above the nicest of 1s.

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BobC 12-20-2021 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by todeen (Post 2177109)
Most 1934 Butterfinger grade 1. I have seen some really nice examples graded 1. I think their thinness and fragility just pushes their grade low. When I see a 2 or 3, I'm never really sure what separates them above the nicest of 1s.

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They seem to do the same with grading M101-2 Sporting News Supplements as well.

Dead-Ball-Hitter 12-20-2021 09:48 PM

Any paper loss on the back?

incugator 12-20-2021 10:10 PM

Back is clean
 
No paper loss on the back.

nolemmings 12-20-2021 10:34 PM

R310s are among the most fragile "cards" I have ever handled, and are noticeably thinner and more susceptible to damage than the m101-s and 2s. I gave up collecting them for this reason. I scan them and basically put them away because any handling is risky, even in a rigid or semi-rigid sheet/holder.

Maybe there is the tiniest of edge tears, which would serve to knock down the grade. By tiny I mean 1/64" or smaller. The paper is so fragile it really doesn't "ding" when it makes contact with something-- it tends to tear, at least in my experience.

Here is my Al Simmons. After I scanned it, I VERY carefully slid it into a sheet which was then slid into a rigid. As you know, even holding it between thumb and forefinger or however trying to get into a sleeve risks a spider crease, bend or wrinkle. Anyway, the R310 somehow touched the sleeve less than precisely going in and left the tiniest of tears on the bottom--smaller than the size of the dash on your keyboard. I refused to take it out and re-scan for fear it could only get worse if I dared to try the process again. Anyway, that flaw would probably lead to a "1", so maybe you have something similar--your pic is too small to see. My only other guesses would be possible erasure of light pencil or maybe a repaired pinhole. The "waviness" would not lead to a 1, IMO.
https://photos.imageevent.com/imover...310simmons.jpg

Jstottlemire1 12-21-2021 07:59 AM

I’d still happily take it!

Leon 12-21-2021 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 2177105)
Perhaps he is being rebuffed every night.

Buffed would be better but not fluffed LOL

Leon 12-21-2021 09:10 AM

A little larger picture of the OPs card.,..,

https://luckeycards.com/ruthb.jpg

luciobar1980 12-21-2021 09:44 AM

As someone else mentioned, if it's wavy it may have water damage.

jchcollins 12-21-2021 09:47 AM

I'm far from an expert on the set, but in general - the days of PSA or SGC or whomever grading on "the whole of the card" / appearance are long over for the most part with vintage, at least in my opinion. Now they seem to be taking the "one little thing that kills it" approach.

Snowman 12-22-2021 02:26 AM

Crack it out, soak it in water, dry it flat and send it back. Probably comes back as a 3 lol. Plus you'll get the added benefit of free marketing from the BODA crowd on Blowhard. It'll be fun watching them debate which edge you "trimmed" in order to get it to bump.

glynparson 12-22-2021 08:39 AM

The waviness is why.

mrreality68 12-22-2021 12:05 PM

still a nice looking card and would look great in any collection. IMO

hcv123 12-22-2021 05:20 PM

My experience is....
 
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They judge these larger size paper/thin issues RIDICULOUSLY harshly!! I can assure you both of the attached issues have no rippling, etc and I pegged them for grades between 5 and 7 (submitted a long time ago - so this is not just the recent harshness) - been shaking my head ever since!

Eric72 12-22-2021 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman (Post 2177524)
Crack it out, soak it in water, dry it flat and send it back...

That would likely destroy it, no?

todeen 12-22-2021 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman (Post 2177524)
Crack it out, soak it in water, dry it flat and send it back. Probably comes back as a 3 lol. Plus you'll get the added benefit of free marketing from the BODA crowd on Blowhard. It'll be fun watching them debate which edge you "trimmed" in order to get it to bump.

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Originally Posted by Eric72 (Post 2177842)
That would likely destroy it, no?

Total destruction.

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