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Leon 09-07-2021 08:51 AM

E91 American Caramel
 
Haven't seen a lot of talk about these lately. They are a fairly inexpensive (*relatively speaking) way to collect. This was $106 after tax and shipping from a recent Brockelman auction. I kind of like the staining on back.

Copied from the Oldcardboard site-

Set Summary
Produced by the American Caramel Company of Philadelphia

The E91 set is unnumbered and contains a total of 99 cards

It is divided into three subsets (E91-A; E91-B and E91-C)

Card fronts use generic color artwork with white borders

Backs contain a complete checklist for each subset



https://luckeycards.com/e91hooper.jpg

brianp-beme 09-07-2021 10:43 AM

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When it comes to threads concerning E91 cards, I believe I am required by Net54 bylaws to post the following link:

https://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=243920

Old Cardboard still clings, like many in the hobby, to the sweeping 'Generic' label for these cards that has been attached to E91 since the dawn of the ACC...it's an uphill battle to shake brains into focus.

Here is a group shot of the 11 Athletics cards in the E91A set.

Brian

mrreality68 09-07-2021 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by brianp-beme (Post 2142510)
When it comes to threads concerning E91 cards, I believe I am required by Net54 bylaws to post the following link:

https://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=243920

Old Cardboard still clings, like many in the hobby, to the sweeping 'Generic' label for these cards that has been attached to E91 since the dawn of the ACC...it's an uphill battle to shake brains into focus.

Here is a group shot of the 11 Athletics cards in the E91A set.

Brian

interesting et. Not familiar with it

Like the look

nolemmings 09-07-2021 01:18 PM

I have a fondness for this one:
https://photos.imageevent.com/imover.../huge/e91a.jpg

GeoPoto 09-07-2021 01:54 PM

Washington gets slighted by American Caramel
 
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With a focus on Washington, I am a victim of Brian's exhaustive and convincing demonstration that the images are rooted in images/renderings reflective of the actual E91-A/B players. Since the same images are used for the Washington players "featured" in E91-C, it means that the Washington images are not "generic", which would be bad enough, but instead reflect opposing team players, dressed up in Washington uniforms, which seems far worse.

https://www.net54baseball.com/attach...1&d=1631043512
https://www.net54baseball.com/attach...1&d=1631043518

brianp-beme 09-07-2021 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GeoPoto (Post 2142571)
With a focus on Washington, I am a victim of Brian's exhaustive and convincing demonstration that the images are rooted in images/renderings reflective of the actual E91-A/B players. Since the same images are used for the Washington players "featured" in E91-C, it means that the Washington images are not "generic", which would be bad enough, but instead reflect opposing team players, dressed up in Washington uniforms, which seems far worse.

https://www.net54baseball.com/attach...1&d=1631043512
https://www.net54baseball.com/attach...1&d=1631043518

Funny, I never thought that the 33 players in the E91A set were capable of pulling off such a devious stunt (E91B being the test run, and full participation for E91C), as is seen with Harry Davis pranking us all with his best John Donahue impersonation on your E91C card. They should have , however, employed masks/makeup to make things more convincing.

Brian

brianp-beme 09-07-2021 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by nolemmings (Post 2142560)

Here is an example of the Joe McGinnity facial likeness as seen in the photo used on his E254 Colgan's card (the E91 card used the same photo to depict his face).

Brian

molenick 09-07-2021 03:08 PM

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I like these but here is an example of why some people don't. My McGraw card is essentially the same as Leon's Hooper card.

brianp-beme 09-07-2021 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by molenick (Post 2142595)
I like these but here is an example of why some people don't. My McGraw card is essentially the same as Leon's Hooper card.

Your E91 McGraw has the advantage of being in the 'A' set, while the issuance of the E91C cards besmirched the collector mindset against the E91A and (to a lesser degree) E91B set. Here is McGraw's facial matches as seen in a couple of his cards from the T206 set. Not the same photo used, but I think the similarities are pretty obvious.

Brian

brianp-beme 09-09-2021 12:46 PM

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It's E91A Giants time.

Brian

benge610 09-09-2021 06:11 PM

Thank you Leon for bringing up E91;
one of the most underappreciated sets of the era.
Of the many fun finds in it are:
1. Bresnahan's E91A "True" RC; excludes supplements, post cards, game cards; actually inserted in product 1908.
2. Rube Marquard's E91B RC; cool thing here is, after Mcginnity (HOF) left they gave his image to another to-be HOFer.
3. Home Run Baker's E91B RC; is actually the image of departed Jimmy Collins (HOF); once again, assigned to another to-be HOFer.

There are many little side tracks to this set and am so grateful to Brian for his work. Love this set.

https://www.net54baseball.com/pictur...ictureid=31790

scooter729 09-09-2021 08:13 PM

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Not many other pre-WW1 sets can offer you the chance to find uncut strips of cards - I appreciate the E91s for that!

benge610 09-10-2021 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by scooter729 (Post 2143362)
Not many other pre-WW1 sets can offer you the chance to find uncut strips of cards - I appreciate the E91s for that!

I would love to have been a fly on the wall as they decided to make Topsy Hartzel, the extra one in the row. I find fascinating the logic in the print setup. This is such a cool piece.

brianp-beme 09-10-2021 08:16 PM

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The final installment - the 11 E91A Cubs.

Brian

Carter08 09-10-2021 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by molenick (Post 2142595)
I like these but here is an example of why some people don't. My McGraw card is essentially the same as Leon's Hooper card.

This is my favorite set the I have a total of zero cards in. Debated getting into it despite the cost and talked myself out of it because my understanding is they’re generic images of players and not “real” representations of the subjects. Does it matter to folks?

benge610 09-10-2021 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Carter08 (Post 2143691)
This is my favorite set the I have a total of zero cards in. Debated getting into it despite the cost and talked myself out of it because my understanding is they’re generic images of players and not “real” representations of the subjects. Does it matter to folks?

I think that it eventually will matter to folks; when other sets get too pricey and other scarce ones get scarcer. The E91A was released in late 1907/early 1908. And as Brian has shown in his "required Link" above, the artwork (facially) is the actual subject. As I stated above, Bresnahan's RC (distributed in product) is 91A. For those who can't find or afford E107, Plank, Waddell, J. Collins, McGraw. Mathewson and McGinnity in 91A serves as an affordable RC.
Along with Bresnahan, Dummy Taylor, Mordecai Brown, Evers and Tinker call 91A their RC set.
Hmmm, I kinda like it.

Jcfowler6 09-10-2021 10:14 PM

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...8f1f049f1a.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...09ea42d94f.jpg

I enjoy this set also Leon. Had lots of my 1909 Pirates in there. Here’s some of mine. The ghost image is interesting I think.


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benge610 09-10-2021 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jcfowler6 (Post 2143700)
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...8f1f049f1a.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...09ea42d94f.jpg

I enjoy this set also Leon. Had lots of my 1909 Pirates in there. Here’s some of mine. The ghost image is interesting I think.


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Actual player image:
top row, left to right;
Kliing, Overall, .... Chance
Evers, Reulbach.
Cubs/Pirates, same image, different team and nameplate.
This is fun!


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