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T205 Piedmont 42 checklist/survey
I'm not aware of a public T205 Piedmont 42 checklist, so I am attempting to create one here. Please post any additions you may have. All questions and comments welcome.
In 2009 a board member said he had observed 54 subjects with this back. At that time there was talk of a publication of all known backs, which as far as I know, has never materialized. In an effort to improve my collecting abilities and anyone else who may be interested here's a list I compiled today from my collection, board searches, and prior sales... -------------------------------------- edited and revised list per additions from board Barger part B Barger full B Beck Bender Bergen Bresnahan closed Byrne Camnitz Chance Clarke Cobb Collins open Crandall t crossed Delahanty Devlin Dooin Doolan Doyle Downey Evers Ewing Ferguson Fisher Fletcher Flynn Ford white cap Foxen Gibson Hauser Hemphill Hoblitzell no Cin Huggins Jones D Konetchy Kroh Leever Marquard Mathewson Mattern McGraw McIntire H Merkle Murray Meyers Miller Moran no stray Needham Oakes Oldring Overall Phelps Phillipe Reulbach Rowan Scanlon Schlei Schulte Sheckhard Smith Snodgrass Steinfeldt Street Summers Sweeney Tinker Titus Vaughn Wallace no cap 2 lines Walsh Wheat White K Wilson Willet Wiltse 1 Wiltse 2 |
I can add Hauser.
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The list I have from the old T205 Resource website (unfortunately no longer around) had 74 Piedmont 42 cards confirmed as known. Below I have listed the ones not on the list you just posted (by the way all of the ones on your list are on the list of 74, except for McIntyre, Meyers, Schulte and Wallace with cap):
E.B. Barger full B Beck Bridwell Byrne E. Collins open mouth Crandall 't' crossed Dooin Fisher Fletcher Flynn Ford white cap Foxen Gibson Hauser Johnson D. Jones Kroh Mattern McIntire Merkle Murray Needham Overall Phelps Reulbach Rowan Sheckard Smith Snodgrass Vaughn Wallace no cap 2 lines 1910 Wheat Brian (I have the Kroh and Vaughn) |
Thanks very much, Ken and Brian, I will add those in.
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Old Ring to it...
My spreadsheet shows that I have a Pied 42 of Oldring. ( I realize this is a "known" back by your list, but it prompted me to action!)
This is one of just three that my list shows I have (Needham and Rowan are my others) I now have a project to dig into the T205 crate and find the Rube 42 and his bros/ I'll photograph the buggers once I find them. Thanks for giving tomorrow night after work a real purpose :D |
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I found scans of all the 42's mentioned in this thread except
Bridwell Johnson Matty McIntyre Wallace with cap |
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PIEDMONT Factory #42
Hey Rob
For whatever these are worth......here are the PIEDMONT #42 cards which I have. Regarding the A - B - C - D group, so far the only PIEDMONT #42 cards that have been confirmed are: Bridwell, Downey, Hoblitzell, Huggins, Moran, Phelps, Wheat. https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...Piedmont42.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...dmont42b_1.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...Piedmont42.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...edmont42bx.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...PIEDMONT42.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...EDMONT42bx.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...PIEDMONT42.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...IEDMONT42b.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...seT205ears.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...205earsP42.jpg TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
As mentioned above, my inventory includes Wallace no cap/2 lines, but I cannot confirm that Wallace with cap exists in Pied F42.
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Here's the scan from April's Hunt auction. They may have reversed the backs, which led me to think the No cap had a 25 back and the w/cap had a 42. I'm going to remove the w/cap until someone can post one.
On McIntyre, I did not see a photo. From an old post, BrianW (Carolina Brights collector), stated that he had one. Thanks for all the feedback so far. I think the list can continue to grow. Also, Ted, I saw Bridwell on the list, so I can't rule out that I still need to find one. When I have time later, I will combine the list. Rob |
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Thanks, Brian. I will remove the w/Cap from the list, as the Hunt auction where I mistook the cards is the only source I had for it. Thanks for everyone's help on this.
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I think Bridwell and Johnson are most likely errors from old checklists.
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I have edited and revised the list in post #1 to reflect the board's contributions. Let me know if I have made any errors or omissions. We still need photo confirmations for Bridwell, Johnson, and McIntyre, as stated above by Pat. Thanks, Rob
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42's
I have what i believe to be the set of all T205 PD 42's. I will dig them out tonight or tomorrow and share what I can.
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Hi Rob, McIntire (with an 'i' in his name) needs to be added to your list. This one was on the T205 Resource site.
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Thanks, Adam, that would be great. Looking forward to your update. I appreciate it. Rob
Brian, thanks for pointing out the McIntire. I made a mistake. Here's the old post from BrianW mentioning "McIntire" meaning I presume, Harry and not Matty. Also, he was talking about T206 and not T205. I guess we have a photo for Harry and so I removed the asterisk. www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=84764 |
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Hi Rob - all of the subjects on the updated list except Bridwell and Johnson have several different scans/photos available here's one of the McIntire's
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Thanks for posting the Harry McIntire, Pat. I guess we'll see if Bridwell or Johnson turn up. Every thread is better with cards. Here's a Titus from my collection. I've heard this subject has a lot of backs. Maybe I'll start a Titus back run.
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Have 4 of the f42s
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Nice ones, Jeff.
Is Jeff's card considered the "D&B" variation? Is my list correct that only the "D&B" variation is found with a P42 back, and not the "D" and "B" variations? Here's a Devlin I have... |
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I find it hard to tell with the Miller variations but I think all three are available
with a Piedmont 42 maybe someone that knows them better can chime in here are a few to choose from Attachment 425714 Attachment 425715 Attachment 425716 Attachment 425717 Attachment 425718 Attachment 425719 |
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I agree that it can be difficult to distinguish the variations. Sometimes there are clear examples of all three, B, D, and B&D, but there also many cards that are some blend of all. I'm going to remove a qualifier on the list for Miller. Here are 2 I have...a Polar Bear with the B, and an HLC with the D.
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I was checking over my list of comfortable P42 to see if I ever found a Bridwell for sell or scan of one - which I have not. Johnson was never on the list as an option.
I use to actively pursue P42 cards for my set as I felt the were under appreciated/valued as I could find a relative scare back (under 1% of total of all T205s) for a common price. Current have 18 different players in P42 |
T205 PIEDMONT Factory #42
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John Are there any new names in your collection of 18 cards that are not on Rob's list ? It's difficult to read their names in the scan. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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Thanks for the updates, Adam and John. I can't read the names on John's cards either, but I assume they are on the list. I agree that this back is still very affordable considering how tough it is. Usually, the seller does not even mention it.
I asked about this list because I like to put together T205 back runs, and without knowing which backs are known to which players, it can be more difficult. About 8 years ago I found a Bridwell Drum, a few months later I stumbled upon a Broad Leaf. I scooped up most of the rest for low BIN's on eBay. Just the other day I finally found a Hassan 30. I didn't realize I had picked a controversial card to collect. |
Johnson was on the original list put out by T205 Resource site. The Bridwell was added later on, and was one of the many additions to the T205 confirmed lists that originated from Net54 member JoshuaL.
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I removed Bridwell and Johnson from this list. It's not an official list. Josh and Ron could have piped up or chimed in with more info, but they did not. Maybe these 2 cards will appear in Spring REA lots 6 and 7 starting at $5000, but I doubt it. Thanks to all that contributed. I'm marking my Bridwell run as complete, until further notice. Rob
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T205 piedmont #42
Hi Rob
I have to correct a comment I made in my "T205 DRUM and HINDU" thread several days ago. It was in response to Mike's post..... Quote:
Also, I'll add to Mike's comment the same is true with HASSAN #30 vs PIEDMONT #42 (they are also mutually-exclusive). I've been doing some research regarding the group of 32 subjects with the A - B- C - D pattern. And, I now realize that not all of these 32 subjects were printed with PIEDMONT #42 backs. Some time later today, I will post a list of the ones in this group that were printed with PIEDMONT #42. Rob.....I'd say this study confirms that your Bridwell will not be found with a PIEDMONT #42 back. TED Z . |
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I still have the website but it's currently turned off to the public while I add the scans of backs that I've saved over the years. I'll probably have a lot of extra time to work on the website over the winter months and possibly finish it to where others can share missing back scans that I don't have in my database. I would have had it finished years ago but life and health got in the way, but never gave up on the project. I'll contribute where I can on these posts as I see them and I'll be sure to let everyone know when the website goes live again. |
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Photo list as follows with no big surprises.
Barger part B Beck crandell T crossed Devin Doin Evers Ferguson Foxes McIntire Merkle Needham Philippe Scanlan Smith Snodgrass Street Vaughn Wiltse |
Thanks for the research and replies, Ted, Ron and John.
I appreciate the time y'all put into it. A set that I know a lot more about T213-2, has a checklist of 187, but everyone that collects it says they have only seen 185. 1 unchecklisted subject that there are scans of, and 3 that no one has seen. Rob |
PIEDMONT Factory #42
There are 12 possible tobacco brands printed on the T205 backs associated with the group of 32 subjects I refer to as the A - B - C - D connection.
DRUM and BROAD LEAF cards are the most difficult. The PIEDMONT Factory #42 can be just as difficult. However, it appears that only 7 of these 32 subjects are found with PIEDMONT Factory #42 backs. With the possibility of 3 more. These subjects are...... Bergen Downey Hoblitzell Huggins Moran Phelps Wheat and possibly...... Lobert Paskert Stone Thanks to Mike's (gonzo) great observation in another thread, the PIEDMONT #42 back is mutually-exclusive with the HASSAN (#30 and #649) backs. I can say (for the time being) my Miller Huggins run is complete. Huggins has not to be confirmed with the DRUM back. However, I do expect his DRUM card will eventually be discovered. https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...Piedmont42.jpg . . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...edmont42bx.jpg V---------------------------------------------------------------------AMERICAN BEAUTY - BROAD LEAF - CYCLE - DRUM connection (A - B - C - D)--------------------------V . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ugginsT205.jpg . . . . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...Huggins25x.jpg . . . . . . . . . . . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...nsT205ABbx.jpg . . . . . . . . . . .https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...uggins25bx.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ngCutT205b.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...Piedmont25.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...iedmont25b.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...SweetCap42.jpg --------------------- HASSAN are NO PRINTS --------------------- https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...weetCap42b.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...30x649bkxx.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
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