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whiteymet 10-31-2020 12:52 PM

HELP are these originals
 
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Hi Gang:

Not too familiar with this type of items. Please take a look and LMK ASAP if these items are vintage/real.

Mathewson Tuxedo Poster

Linen backed Baseball Poster - Caruthers, Andrews, Anson, and Brouthers
measures approx 15.5" x 11"

Babe Ruth 1927 First National Picture "Babe Comes Home" Movie Herald

Old Judge & Dogs Head Cigarettes Goodwin & Co Linen Backed Advertising Poster

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whiteymet 10-31-2020 12:54 PM

Help are these vintage
 
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Forgot to include the Pittsburg Pirates Champions National League 1909 Posters

swarmee 10-31-2020 01:17 PM

Did you check the lithographs for the proper dotted pattern with a 10x loup? Those are some really nice items if real.

whiteymet 10-31-2020 01:20 PM

HI John:

Don't have access to them. Just working off the photos I was sent.

Bicem 10-31-2020 01:25 PM

Fake.

conor912 10-31-2020 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bicem (Post 2030817)
Fake.

Agreed. I wouldn’t touch them.

D. Bergin 10-31-2020 01:57 PM

Looks like some Ohio nonsense.

whiteymet 10-31-2020 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 2030833)
Looks like some Ohio nonsense.

Translate please! Is there a known counterfeiter in Ohio?

D. Bergin 10-31-2020 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by whiteymet (Post 2030834)
Translate please! Is there a known counterfeiter in Ohio?

It's where a lot of this type of stuff tends to originate from, and has for several decades now.

I think the theory may have been posited that there's lots of old defunct printing and lithography equipment, and access to old stock paper/board in the area, that tends to make it a hotbed for this type of fantasy material.

irishdenny 10-31-2020 03:09 PM

*My Red Flag would be that this would be a decent FIND if they were ALL on the same kitchen table for sale!

That 'Matty Tuxedo' is Scarce to say the least!

todeen 10-31-2020 04:22 PM

Of all the options, IMO, the Babe Ruth Herald might be the only one legitimate. But paired up with the others, which I'm skeptical about, it makes me think otherwise. I don't like the aging along the edges of the pieces. It looks artificial/aged. However, I'm no expert in printing and dot matrix, etc, to understand the nuances of eras and authenticity.

buymycards 10-31-2020 05:42 PM

Yes
 
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Originally Posted by todeen (Post 2030880)
Of all the options, IMO, the Babe Ruth Herald might be the only one legitimate. But paired up with the others, which I'm skeptical about, it makes me think otherwise. I don't like the aging along the edges of the pieces. It looks artificial/aged. However, I'm no expert in printing and dot matrix, etc, to understand the nuances of eras and authenticity.

I agree. Everything appears to be fake, except I would not want to rule out the Ruth item unless I saw better photos or unless I could see it in person.

rjackson44 10-31-2020 06:08 PM

All fake
 
But would make nice display items in a office or man cave,cool look

Tao_Moko 10-31-2020 08:09 PM

There was also Tattoo Flash coming out of Ohio that were drawn/painted on original stock and with original inks awhile back. Problem was, the artists forging them sucked. The aging looks awfully familiar to those pieces(I have one in my collection that I got cheap, but because it was still cool). For all of these to be in one place is a red flag for me. Amazing pieces from separate eras of ball...... This is either a major collector who knows what they have and knows their value, or a fraudster. Are any authenticated?

The Old Judge and Dogs Head piece is most concerning to me. That aging looks very manufactured.

t_vguy 11-02-2020 03:52 AM

Ohio nonsense?
 
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Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 2030833)
Looks like some Ohio nonsense.

Never mind, didn't scroll & saw it has been answered, thanks.

Leon 11-03-2020 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Tao_Moko (Post 2030932)
There was also Tattoo Flash coming out of Ohio that were drawn/painted on original stock and with original inks awhile back. Problem was, the artists forging them sucked. The aging looks awfully familiar to those pieces(I have one in my collection that I got cheap, but because it was still cool). For all of these to be in one place is a red flag for me. Amazing pieces from separate eras of ball...... This is either a major collector who knows what they have and knows their value, or a fraudster. Are any authenticated?

The Old Judge and Dogs Head piece is most concerning to me. That aging looks very manufactured.

There is always a chance the sellers don't know. Most, if not all, of these are not even good fakes. And the oldest trick in the book is to throw in one or two good things with lots of fakes to make it seem they are all real.
Just things to be cognizant of. Scamming 101B....not even to 102 yet :).

But no idea if this seller is or isn't in on it. I try to give folks the benefit of the doubt unless there are obvious red flags (more than just selling a fake, possibly unknowingly)


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