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Smanzari 01-17-2020 08:35 AM

What's George Steinbrenner's Rookie Card?
 
Title says it all - does anyone know what would be considered his rookie?

Is it 1992 Fun Stuff Inquirer or is there one before it?

Thanks for the help!

Tripredacus 01-17-2020 12:33 PM

First card is applicable, not rookie. He never played.

There is this from 1991, which is similar to the Inquirer card:
https://www.tcdb.com/ViewCard.cfm/si...e-Steinbrenner

Earlier than that there is a post card from 1979 Coral Lee... but I guess that 1991 there is his first card.

swarmee 01-17-2020 02:46 PM

Another possibility:
https://img.comc.com/i/MultiSport/19...&size=original
1991 Face to Face: The Famous Celebrity Guessing Game Cards - Numbered #280 - George Steinbrenner
Courtesy of COMC.com

I see the list above, and due to the nature of these sets, I would say NONE of these are "rookie cards." Only one even has his name on it, and they're all from oddball sets (or my link is from a board game) with mostly cartoon drawings. If you're asking which would PSA count for their Set Registry HOF Rookie Cards, I would guess none of these.
They'd probably use whichever company out of Topps or Panini created the first mass-produced RC, likely the Panini Cooperstown base card, as long as it was licensed by Steinbrenner's family. It's pretty shocking that he doesn't have any true baseball cards (Topps, UD, Fleer, Panini, Donruss, etc) over the years, nor any Yankee Team Issues that I can find.

Gary Dunaier 01-19-2020 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Tripredacus (Post 1947838)
First card is applicable, not rookie. He never played.

"Rookie card" has become a synonym for "first card," I think. People know Steinbrenner never played the game, and I don't think it's necessary to point that out.

Still, I can see why some might find it important to make that distinction, as you did. To-may-to, to-mah-to... it's a semantic world we live in.

Tripredacus 01-20-2020 01:00 PM

Sure, but what of those guys who got their first cards in the Conlon set in the 90s? I think that the card has to come out when the player is still active to be a rookie card. The Conlon guys wouldn't count. In the end, whatever a rookie card is based on some authority, like a grading company or a price guide company I guess.

swarmee 01-20-2020 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tripredacus (Post 1948609)
In the end, whatever a rookie card is based on some authority, like a grading company or a price guide company I guess.

Usually that definition from the price guide / checklist comes with an explanation like it has to has to be a commercially available set nationwide. Even better if pack-inserted. I don't think any of these would qualify as The Boss's rookie card under that definition. The board game to me is the closest since it actually has a picture of him, but then again, it's from a board game. Maybe Rich Klein can make his educated guess which one Beckett would anoint as Steinbrenner's RC based on his experience.

bcbgcbrcb 01-20-2020 06:15 PM

If I were still collecting earliest Hall of Fame items, in this situation, I would opt for the earliest original press photo of Steinbrenner after he joined the Yankees, early-mid 1970's. Obviously not a card but, to me, a better option than a commemorative card produced many years later.

jason.1969 01-20-2020 06:44 PM

Nothing seems to fit the bill perfectly. I'd probably go with this if I had to choose something. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...fe82d67d88.jpg

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swarmee 01-20-2020 07:03 PM

That's the nicest one; hadn't seen the image before.

https://postcardy.blogspot.com/2011/...r-bunnies.html

If they had wider distribution or were a Yankees team issue, I figure that would be considered the RC.

bcbgcbrcb 01-26-2020 03:09 PM

Good job, Jason. Love it!

Gary Dunaier 01-26-2020 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tripredacus (Post 1948609)
Sure, but what of those guys who got their first cards in the Conlon set in the 90s? I think that the card has to come out when the player is still active to be a rookie card. The Conlon guys wouldn't count.

Yeah, I gotta go with you there.

Exhibitman 01-28-2020 07:22 AM

That PC is a nationally distributed card. And a great image of the heart of the Bronx Zoo.

What about the Negro Leaguers whose earlier cards are the Laughlin Old Time Black Stars sets? I think for those deprived of a chance they should at least have a RC.

Tripredacus 01-28-2020 01:48 PM

Are we talking about Rookie to mean what it means in today's way of thinking... that a "rookie" is someone who is new to MLB. It can be to a specific league, whereas a minor league card can be a rookie card for the player in that league, but not considered a rookie card for MLB. Same could be true of negro league or japanese leagues.

In fact, it is already true for modern cards in hockey and baseball. In hockey a guy who can have played many years comes to the NHL and they get a rookie card (like Artemi Panarin) who is not actually new to professional hockey. Same can be true of any baseball player who starts in Japan and comes to the US like Ichiro Suzuki.

scotgreb 01-28-2020 07:28 PM

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