Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1925533)

For a decent player, Norm Cash's 1961 was absurd.

Originally Posted by Tabe (Post 1925559)

Steve Stone's 25-7, 3.23 Cy Young year in 1980.

Bob Welch's 27-6, 2.95 Cy Young year in 1990.

Originally Posted by Tabe (Post 1925562)

Zach Greinke's 2015: 19-3, 1.66 ERA. His ERA all year was never over 1.97.

Luis Tiant's 1968: 21-9, 1.60 ERA. 0.871 WHIP, 9 shutouts.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1925566)

Steve Carlton did not exactly fly under the radar though.

Originally Posted by rats60 (Post 1925600)

Honus Wagner 1908. 1st in BA, OBP, SLG, OPS, hits, TB, 2B, 3B, RBI, SB, 2nd in runs, 1b & HR. He had 11.5 oWAR, Hans Lobert was 2nd place with 6.5. I don't think a player has ever dominated a league like that. He did that in the lowest scoring season of the dead ball era, league ERA 2.35 and the toughest hitting park, 16% below league average. Bill James rates it as the best season ever.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1925603)

Honus Wagner was a player under the radar?

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards (Post 1925709)

I've also always been a fan of fluke seasons like Davey Johsnon's and Rico Petrocelli's 40 Home Run years or Bert Campaneris's 20 HR year etc. THen you have guys like Dave Stapleton who has a very good rookie season and literally gets worse every year from there on out. Wonder what the record is for longest career with a batting average that dropped every season? Stapleton made 7.

Originally Posted by KCRfan1 (Post 1925704)

I'll toss in a couple of arms from the 1960's that fly under the radar.

Jim Maloney who had a fine but short career. He had a couple of standout seasons with 1963 being his best.

23 -7 with a 2.77 ERA. He finished with 250 IP, 183 Hits allowed and 265 K's.

For the season he finished 19 in MVP voting. No All - Star or Cy Young placement.


The next name is Sam McDowell.

In 1965, he finished at 17 - 11 and a 2.18 ERA. Additional numbers of import are 273 IP, 178 Hits allowed and 325 K's.


For the season he finished 17 in MVP voting. No All - Star or Cy Young placement.

Originally Posted by packs (Post 1925708)

Speaking of arms, how about some of the seasons old Hoyt Wilhelm was able to put together? I know he's a HOFer, but who ever has anything to say about him?

Between 1964 and 1968 he was 41 to 45 years old, pitched over 500 innings while maintaining an average ERA of 1.74....in his 40s! He surrendered almost 200 less hits than innings pitched over that time.

1965 was probably his masterpiece. He threw 144 innings as a 42 year old giving up only 88 hits, while pitching to the tune of a 1.81 ERA.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1925533)

For a decent player, Norm Cash's 1961 was absurd.

Originally Posted by howard38 (Post 1925575)

Given that Stone won the Cy Young award in 1980 I'd say that the actual best pitcher in the league that year, Mike Norris, was even further under the radar.

Originally Posted by MRSPORTSCARDCOLLECTOR (Post 1925583)

Yaz 1967 WAR= 12.5

Originally Posted by Zach Wheat (Post 1925723)

I would vote with Peter on this one. His performance in the '61 season was well above any of his other seasons....something like 80 bps for BA. I wonder what he did that year to give rise to the increased performance? He would have been 27 and in the prime of his like......such a huge increase in BA for 1 year is just odd.

Originally Posted by KCRfan1 (Post 1925704)

The next name is Sam McDowell.

In 1965, he finished at 17 - 11 and a 2.18 ERA. Additional numbers of import are 273 IP, 178 Hits allowed and 325 K's.

For the season he finished 17 in MVP voting. No All - Star or Cy Young placement.

Originally Posted by Tabe (Post 1925845)

He corked his bat.

He later did a story for Sports Illustrated where he documented the exact technique he used.

Originally Posted by btcarfagno (Post 1926147)

Miguel Dilone 1980.

Not including his 1980 season, he was a career .238 hitter with an OPS+ of 67. Only had 2000 career at bats in parts of 12 Major league seasons.

In 1980 he hit .340 with 30 doubles 9 triples and 61 steals and an OPS+ of 120.

Where did that come from?

Originally Posted by rats60 (Post 1925607)

His 1908 season was. It is not like almost every other season mentioned isn't well known. The OP picks the all time record for RBIs in a season and the last pitcher to win 30 games and says they are under the radar:eek: