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Stampsfan 03-29-2019 12:56 PM

GAI Graded Cards
 
Apologies if this has been asked before, but I did a search and could not come up with a definitive answer.

I am wondering about GAI graded cards. I have seen references here about how they were once reliable, but evolved into not being so. In another recent thread, Peter Spaeth indicated "This was GAI's failure despite the excellence of Mike Baker as a grader...".

Can anyone provide details around such?
Is there a way (number sequence) to tell if a GAI graded card can be "more trusted" than another series of numbers? Any details around why?
What is the danger of trimmed or re-colored cards with GAI?

Looking more for informed details, not opinions such as "Don't trust any GAI".

Thanks in advance.

drcy 03-29-2019 06:14 PM

The below metallic labels shown here is from their old, reliable days. GAI autograph LOAs with Mike Gutierrez's name on it are also from their earlier, reliable days.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....Y445_QL70_.jpg

Peter_Spaeth 03-29-2019 06:50 PM

The problem I think is that they were still using those metallic flips when they went bad, that is, started doing favors for people (IMO). Cards that say first graded are usually fine. But it's a crap shoot I don't think you can tell from the cert if it's early GAI or not, maybe I'm wrong.

Yastrzemski Sports 03-29-2019 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1866307)
The problem I think is that they were still using those metallic flips when they went bad, that is, started doing favors for people (IMO). Cards that say first graded are usually fine. But it's a crap shoot I don't think you can tell from the cert if it's early GAI or not, maybe I'm wrong.

I think you’re exactly right. There are 2 reasons cards are still in their holders. Either they will grade less in a legitimate holder or they will not pass authentication. There is no reason to keep a card of significant value in their holder because most people won’t look at it. You have to judge the card as though it was raw - because it may as well be.

Pilot172000 03-30-2019 11:08 AM

I have a GAI 2 graded T206 Bresnahan Portrait I got pretty cheap. The card wouldn't grade a 2 anywhere else IMHO, but I wanted a GAI card holder just for fun and its labelled 1st graded so Ill keep it in the slab.

steve B 04-01-2019 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports (Post 1866332)
I think you’re exactly right. There are 2 reasons cards are still in their holders. Either they will grade less in a legitimate holder or they will not pass authentication. There is no reason to keep a card of significant value in their holder because most people won’t look at it. You have to judge the card as though it was raw - because it may as well be.


Or because someone is too lazy/cheap to regrade a VG T206 common.... :o

Leon 04-03-2019 11:28 AM

As others have said, there is almost no (good) reason to have a card in a GAI holder today. It will devalue them.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Stampsfan (Post 1866222)
Apologies if this has been asked before, but I did a search and could not come up with a definitive answer.

I am wondering about GAI graded cards. I have seen references here about how they were once reliable, but evolved into not being so. In another recent thread, Peter Spaeth indicated "This was GAI's failure despite the excellence of Mike Baker as a grader...".

Can anyone provide details around such?
Is there a way (number sequence) to tell if a GAI graded card can be "more trusted" than another series of numbers? Any details around why?
What is the danger of trimmed or re-colored cards with GAI?

Looking more for informed details, not opinions such as "Don't trust any GAI".

Thanks in advance.


perezfan 04-03-2019 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by steve B (Post 1866904)
Or because someone is too lazy/cheap to regrade a VG T206 common.... :o

I have quite a few early '60s Hall of Famers that are mid-grade (mostly GAI 5s and 6s). They were bought back when GAI was on a par with the other TPGs.

It's not that I'm too lazy to re-grade them... it's more that I care lots more about the card than the inconsequential slab. I would rather judge the card to my standards than have a stranger do it. I suppose that when it comes time to sell, I should consider re-grading, but am not sure it's really worth the cost of doing so.

Instead of coughing up the money to an entity I dislike, I might rather just crack the cards out, and sell them as raw through Greg Morris.

steve B 04-03-2019 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 1867467)
I have quite a few early '60s Hall of Famers that are mid-grade (mostly GAI 5s and 6s). They were bought back when GAI was on a par with the other TPGs.

It's not that I'm too lazy to re-grade them... it's more that I care lots more about the card than the inconsequential slab. I would rather judge the card to my standards than have a stranger do it. I suppose that when it comes time to sell, I should consider re-grading, but am not sure it's really worth the cost of doing so.

Instead of coughing up the money to an entity I dislike, I might rather just crack the cards out, and sell them as raw through Greg Morris.


I was mostly referring to myself. I have one GAI graded card, a VG common.


I keep it that way for similar reasons to yours, It's pretty easy to tell it's a real T206, and it's also pretty much a classic VG card. I also keep it in the slab as an example of a GAI card. Similar to why I keep an Acugrade card in its slab, there aren't many around. (It's also almost certainly not a 7 as I believe it's trimmed)

Peter_Spaeth 04-03-2019 03:08 PM

Imagine that, a trimmed card in an ASA holder.

irv 04-03-2019 07:28 PM

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I have purchased a couple, both 1st graded, that will be staying put as they are only commons. Both look OK to the eye compared with other graded and raw cards that I own.

Leon 04-06-2019 02:20 PM

Even though they weren't that great, in their time, they had some good cards in their holders. No doubt a few good ones remain.

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ronniehatesjazz 04-08-2019 05:22 PM

I actually think they have the best all around slabs... SGC style looks, PSA sleekness, and love the identification on the very top of the slab... much easier to identify when trying to track down a graded card in a box. Too bad the grading is unreliable.


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