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biggies 01-14-2019 12:50 PM

77 BK Piniella needed, Got 1 thanks
 
I need a decent 77 Burger King Piniella.

Thanks, Bob

Card received, no longer needed

JollyElm 01-14-2019 03:10 PM

Hey, I have a couple of them. Although this thread is old, check it out:
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=261137

biggies 01-14-2019 03:22 PM

want list
 
Can you send me your want list and I'll see what I may have for you

Cliff Bowman 01-14-2019 10:10 PM

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I can line you up with the owner of these.

biggies 01-15-2019 06:16 AM

LOL, only need one. Those are all BK?

Cliff Bowman 01-15-2019 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by biggies (Post 1845548)
LOL, only need one. Those are all BK?

Yep, 750 of them.

biggies 01-15-2019 11:58 AM

Wow, well can I wrestle one from you?

Cliff Bowman 01-15-2019 12:38 PM

They’re not mine, unfortunately :mad:.

silvor 01-15-2019 01:04 PM

Know the story on how he got so many?

canjond 01-17-2019 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by silvor (Post 1845646)
Know the story on how he got so many?

I heard this guy is the owner. Explains a lot...

https://investorshub.advfn.com/uimag...s27n-4-web.jpg

ALBB 01-17-2019 08:09 PM

BK
 
so much for the rare BK Pinella

JustinD 01-17-2019 08:20 PM

Could you pass on that those rubber bands are triggering my OCD please. :rolleyes:

Cliff Bowman 01-19-2019 08:06 PM

I don't know how the guy wound up with 750 1977 Burger King Lou Piniella cards, I would guess that he bought them in one of those storage lot auctions. I do know that he initially had no idea what they were, he thought they were just regular 1977 Topps commons and put them on an eBay But-It-Now auction for 9.2 cents a card with free shipping. I of course bought them and paid immediately. Unfortunately, for me anyway, a couple of hours afterward he canceled the sale and refunded my money. His excuse was that he researched them and was afraid they might be counterfeit, saying that it is against eBay rules to sell counterfeit items. I didn't buy that for a second, I think someone contacted him and told him what they are or more likely offered him much more than what I paid. Easy come, easy go.

JollyElm 01-20-2019 06:15 PM

Does anyone know a single person who ever actually got a 1977 Lou Piniella in a Burger King Yankees 'pack' that year? You know, inside the restaurant? No one I know ever did, and as kids we got about a zillion BK cards that summer. We only found out Sweet Lou's card existed many years later.

Has an uncut Topps/BK sheet ever shown up? If someone truly does have 750 Piniellas (yowza!!), I have to believe maybe they were printed on their own (full sheets of Lou) much later in the run (with the intent of including them in BK packs) and piled up somewhere as the promotion died out. Perhaps the ones that are out there (I have a few), just found their way into collectors' hands via the back door? Of course, this is just idle speculation, but nothing regarding that card's scarcity seems to make any sense.

Cliff Bowman 01-20-2019 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JollyElm (Post 1847388)
I have to believe maybe they were printed on their own (full sheets of Lou) much later in the run (with the intent of including them in BK packs) and piled up somewhere as the promotion died out. Perhaps the ones that are out there (I have a few), just found their way into collectors' hands via the back door?

I have the same exact theory. I don't know how many were on a sheet, but I know they were in multiples of 11, probably a sheet of 66. That's a lot of Piniella cards. You can see that there is the right edge of another Piniella card on the left side of this miscut Piniella card to the right. I would imagine that many of the Piniella cards never made it to the Burger Kings, and the people who were supposed to distribute them either threw them away or put them up in storage.

JollyElm 01-23-2019 05:06 PM

I really gotta bump this and ask again...

Does anyone know of a single person who ever actually got a 1977 BK Lou Piniella inside of Burger King during the 'Summer of Sam'?

judsonhamlin 01-23-2019 05:29 PM

I did. Part of my set and I never bought them elsewhere. For what it’s worth- it would’ve been the BK on Route 18 in East Brunswick, NJ. Also my source for Star Wars glasses that year.

ullmandds 01-23-2019 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JollyElm (Post 1848245)
I really gotta bump this and ask again...

Does anyone know of a single person who ever actually got a 1977 BK Lou Piniella inside of Burger King during the 'Summer of Sam'?

welllllll...I too had tons and tons of 77 bk yankees cards as a kid...all from burger king.

my buddy, Tommy...also collected bb cards at the time...and he DID in fact have a 77 BK pinella he must have procured from BK as thats how we all aquired them? I offered him tons of high buck cards(for back then) including a high number 67 brooks robinson in trade...he'd never trade Lou to me! I finally aquired mine in the last 15 years.

JollyElm 01-25-2019 05:00 PM

That's good to know. So some Sweet Lou's actually made it inside the restaurants (I love BK, but I use that term loosely :rolleyes:) in some areas that year. I'm pretty sure the promotion didn't have specific start and end dates (that the public was made aware of), as the cards just suddenly appeared and then quickly disappeared.

Here's a proposed timeline of events:
1. Burger King starts issuing Yankees cards (a 22 card set plus checklist - no Lou Piniella)
2. George 'The Boss' Steinbrenner complains to BK/Topps, outraged that his favorite player wasn't included in the set (paraphrasing from Sparky Lyle's brief account in "The Bronx Zoo")
3. Topps prints (sheets of only?) Piniella cards and...
4. BK releases #23 cards in packs in some specific areas of the tri-state area (wow, I just realized that all states except for Maine, Hawaii and Alaska could be part of a tri-state area, but I digress) in the waning days of the promotion
5. Promotion dies out, leaving tons of Piniellas undistributed and subsequently warehoused and/or destroyed

Corrections, theories and other input welcomed.

xplainer 01-26-2019 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman (Post 1845520)
I can line you up with the owner of these.

Rubber bands??
I almost puked.

savedfrommyspokes 01-26-2019 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JollyElm (Post 1848880)
That's good to know. So some Sweet Lou's actually made it inside the restaurants (I love BK, but I use that term loosely :rolleyes:) in some areas that year. I'm pretty sure the promotion didn't have specific start and end dates (that the public was made aware of), as the cards just suddenly appeared and then quickly disappeared.

Here's a proposed timeline of events:
1. Burger King starts issuing Yankees cards (a 22 card set plus checklist - no Lou Piniella)
2. George 'The Boss' Steinbrenner complains to BK/Topps, outraged that his favorite player wasn't included in the set (paraphrasing from Sparky Lyle's brief account in "The Bronx Zoo")
3. Topps prints (sheets of only?) Piniella cards and...
4. BK releases #23 cards in packs in some specific areas of the tri-state area (wow, I just realized that all states except for Maine, Hawaii and Alaska could be part of a tri-state area, but I digress) in the waning days of the promotion
5. Promotion dies out, leaving tons of Piniellas undistributed and subsequently warehoused and/or destroyed

Corrections, theories and other input welcomed.

Great memory, theory and topic.....I almost missed it, you should (re)start this thread in the regular post war room as many more eyes will see this.

JollyElm 01-26-2019 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes (Post 1849172)
Great memory, theory and topic.....I almost missed it, you should (re)start this thread in the regular post war room as many more eyes will see this.

Yeah, I'll do that. When this thread 'ended' with the OP finding the card, I figured it was safe to just continue the discussion here, because there are quite a few of us who find the topic fascinating!

silvor 01-26-2019 06:19 PM

I've always thought the 1977-1980 Burger Kings were interesting issues.

Here's some interesting items about Burger King in general I've found that may fill in the missing holes of this issue.

In 1977 there were 175k of each card produced. (I wonder if more were issued in later years and in different markets?)
So 175k x 22 (of each card) = 3,850,000
So if there's 3 cards in a cello pack, that's 1.285 million packs.

How many Piniella's were included? Were some others removed for the Piniella's? (22 is easier to pack in 3's than 23. I did the math. :))

There's only 2 PSA 10's for the BK issue. There's 25 for the Topps issue. Now the 3 card cello packaging tended to damage the cards, but I have to think that's partly because of the short print.

I checked and the average BK serves 846 people daily today. Not sure how many stores there were or how many were in NY or the tri-state area?
In 1970 (the closest year I could find), there were 350 BK stores nationwide.
In 1977 BK had financial issues. My guess is this was just a part of promotions to get people in the stores.


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