So sick of these mini BGS-graded Star cards
 

Saw another one today, compare. The minis always seem to be from the same seller.

Hi Peter I'm not familiar with this card and don't understand. The card graded 9.5 is trimmed?
Larry

It looks quite a bit smaller to me than the 9, as have quite a few other cards I have seen from the same seller that I have posted about before. Maybe he just had a huge run of natural shorts?

Could the minis be the ones that were printed in Florida in the 90’s? I don’t know much about Star. It would be disheartening to find out the only TPG that slabs Star can’t spot fakes.

Is Beckett lienent on short cuts from all card sets?

I don't think they're fakes. Either they're just short naturally, or they're trimmed, I don't know. But I've seen quite a few of them.

I've noticed the same thing as Peter. Those cards are not naturally thin, they're trimmed as f*ck. This is really pissing me off.

Arthur

If that's so one is left with two very disturbing choices -- either Beckett can't spot an obviously trimmed card that is clearly short to the eye, or they are doing favors for a large submitter.

Are you trying to tell me that people with a license to print money with zero oversight might pull something shady?

NEVER /s

A lot of people just believe the stories they are told (without doing any research on their own). For example, one story is the owner of Star Co. took the original printing plates and printed thousands of these cards again in the 90s. This simply is not true. If you look at Beckett's population report, you will see that they graded only 728 Jordan rookies (1984-85 card #101) and 412 second-year cards (1985-86 card #117). If the owner reprinted these cards in the 90s, and there was no way to tell the difference between these and the originals, then don't you think there would be thousands of these cards sitting inside Beckett holders?

Now Peter, if you notice that these undersized cards keep coming from the same seller, then I think this needs to be brought to Beckett's attention. This doesn't look good at all.

This is a very good site regarding Star BKB.

http://www.basketballgold.com/


I have no contacts with Beckett and I assume they would just deny everything given the magnitude of the problem. What TPG has ever confessed to anything except an isolated mistake? In any event I believe their vintage grader reads the board so he can do what he wants with the information.

Not the '84 #101 but they printed '86 sets like Crunch & Munch and Lite All-Stars. Those were the 1997 Shop at Home counterfeits. I believe the '86 Jordan set was involved with that as well.

Arthur

I dont think these were faked, the cards in the OP are from the Jordan set. I don't recall cards being shorter...most likely trimmed.

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There is a big thread about BGS graded trimmed basketball cards over on blowout right now. Cards worth 100k and up, trimmed and graded. Gotta love it!
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1255123

That whole segment of the market is a mystery to me. All artificial scarcity.

The elusive GEM MINT 10 grade by any grading company maybe artificial scarcity, the GEM MINT 10 (or any other grade) that is trimmed in order to get the distinction of the grade, is more like fraud and illustrates incompetence of the grading company if they are truly not a part of it.

Crunch And Munch, Lite, and the 10 card 1986 Jordan sets are all original authentic Star sets. They were not Shop at Home sets.

I agree with Peter regarding the basketball gold website. I have no involvement in the site but I do know the person who created the resource and he is a very passionate Star collector and a wealth of knowledge on par with even Steve Taft. It is a very interesting read and clearly spells out the facts and myths about Star basketball cards.

Holy moly that basketballgold site reads like a jilted lover.

Arthur

I told you he was passionate. lol

The problem though is that he's so angry that it taints his objectivity and his judgment. He has a vendetta.

Arthur