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TOUGH COMMONS LIST ~ Please Help Build
Hello all,
I would like to start compiling a list of the "tougher/toughest" common cards from each Topps set, organized by year. By tougher/toughest, I am talking about cards that frequently have print defects, mis-cuts, centering issues, or any type of obscure reason that would hinder their ability to receive a high grade such as an 8 or 9. Please contribute but refrain from listing HOF'ers and SP's. Let's also stay away from high numbers unless they blow away other highs from that year. This is for commons only. This is my list so far: 1952 Topps: Bobby Hogue #9 Monty Basgall #12 Eddie Robinson #32 Lou Kretlow #42 Gordon Goldsberry #46 Marv Rickert #50 Al Zarilla #70 Wes Westrum #75 Herman Wehmeier #80 1954 Topps: Ben Wade #126 Buster Mills #227 1955 Topps: Art Fowler #3 1957 Topps: Lou Kretlow #139 Mike Garcia #300 1958 Topps: John Roseboro #42 1960 Topps: Felipe Alou #287 1961 Topps: Ralph Houk #133 Bill Virdon #306 1963 Topps: Pedro Ramos #14 Curt Simmons #22 Dick Schofield #34 Vic Power #40 Donnie Bowman #61 Ron Kline #84 Dick Stigman #89 Larry Burright #174 Jim Grant #227 Ellis Burton #262 Roy Sievers #283 Don Rudolph #291 Tommy Davis #310 Ernie Broglio #313 Dick Williams #328 Leon Wagner #335 Dom Zanni #354 Joe Azcue #501 1966 Topps: Sam Mele #3 Tommy Davis #75 Jerry Lumpe #161 Nick Willhite #171 AL Batting Leaders #216 1967 Topps: Jack Hamilton #2 Duke Sims #3 Matty Alou #10 Joe Sparma #13 Dave Bristol #21 Rick Wise #37 Joe Horner #41 Steve Barber #82 Jim Nash #90 Dick McAuliffe #170 Johnny Romano #196 Jack Kralick #316 Luis Tiant #377 Dave McNally #382 Andy Etchebarren #457 1969 Topps: Mike Ferraro #83 Kevin Collins #127 1970 Topps: Derron Johnson #125 Orioles Team #387 Ken Holtzman #505 Willie Horton #520 Wayne Garrett #628 Bud HArrelson #634 Pilots Team #713 1971 Topps: Jim Shellenback #295 Claude Raymond #536 Larry Brown #539 Willie Davis #585 Mike Wegener #608 Phil Regan #634 Bobby Murcer #635 Lee Maye #733 1972 Topps: Ray Culp #2 Bob Barton IA #40 Vida Blue IA #170 Paul Schaal #178 1973 Topps: Woodie Fryman #146 Don Wilson #217 Dave Lemonds #534 Bob Heise #547 Rangers Managers #549 Davy Johnson #550 Yankees Team #556 Frank Howard #560 Jim Geddes #561 Steve Kealey #581 Royals Managers #593 Vic Harris #594 Dwight Evans #614 Denny McLain #630 Fred Scherman #660 1974 Topps: Clay Carroll #111 Felix Millan #132 Fritz Peterson #229 Randy Hundley #319 Steve Braun #321 Jim Kaat #440 Bucket Dent #582 Ken Boswell #645 1975 Topps: Frank Tanana #16 Dave Giusti #53 Rusty Staub #90 Orioles Team #117 Jesus Alou #253 Len Randel #259 Danny Frisella #343 Sal Bando #380 Ross Grimsley #458 Darrell Evans #475 Will McEnaney #481 Tommy Davis #564 Juan Beniquez #601 1976 Topps: Rick Miller #302 Johnny Briggs #373 1977 Topps: Don Money #79 Jose Cardenal #610 Ron Guidry #656 1978 Topps: Rennie Stennett #165 Jackson Todd #481 Denny Doyle #642 1979 Topps: Mets Team #82 Pirates Team #244 Jerry Terrell #273 Rich Gale #298 Dave Skaggs #367 1980 Topps: Rick Reuschel #175 I know there are a ton of cards that I did not list. Please help in identifying more to add. THANKS:cool: |
I love your 72's section. Just recently I got beautifully centered Barton IA and Blue IA cards back from PSA, graded 8's. I would certainly add to your list many, many more of the common IA cards from that year. Some are ridiculously tough to find even remotely close to being centered.
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1968 Topps 505 Joe Sparma
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1952 Charley Maxwell #180
1970 1st series checklist #9 I would not count 73T Dwight Evans rookie as a common, plus it's a high #. |
Tough Commons
Oh so many......
1959 John C. Powers 1963 The toughest in the 1960's Jack Baldschun Cloninger Piche 1969 So, so many in the third series. Cleon Jones Red Schoendienst (yes he is an HOF, but 1971 Maye Nagelson More to come 1972 I/a Blue, Mcrae |
Thank you, everyone, for the contributions. I will update the list once a week.
Hopefully, this will turn into a master reference for tough commons. Keep 'em coming. Thanks again, Andrew |
Great thread.
1959 Del Rice 1968 Gates Brown |
Tough Commons/Team Cards/Semi Stars
These are my favorite cards to collect...
Will provide an extensive list based upon experience.. |
1959 topps
These are the cards that I would consider hard to find centered.
I have had many copies of each and finally found the one for my set. 79 Chiti 82 Boyd 115 Vernon 162 Bobby G Smith 226 Ceccarelli 244 Gray 246 Porter 254 Bella 271 Pena 289 Kucks 301 Averill 311 Zauchin 320 Skinner 328 Skizas 330 Triandos 331 Boros 335 Temple 356 Mabe 460 Friend 489 John C Powers 494 Paveletich 496 Terwillinger 509 Cash 536 kravitz 538 King 544 Tate |
Tough Commons
I know he is a HOF'er but
1971 Fingers 1971 Most Leader Cards because of poor centering Blefary T. Taylor Grote Fiore Moeller (also 1966) Gibbs Also 1970 Mets team Segui NL Championship Gm 2 McDowell A/S Koonce Kilkenny MORE TO COME |
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Amazing how some SERIES are tougher than others in high grade 1970 Series 1,5 1969 Series 3 1963 Series 1 |
This is a great idea. I think you need to go up through '83.
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1960 Topps
1960 Topps
111- Vic Wertz 116- Jim Revera 170- Del Crandall 176- Vada Pinson 223- Danny Murtaugh 446- Ellis Burton 451- Curt Simmons 489- Steve Ridzik 496- Bill Virdon 498- Al Pilarcik |
These were difficult for me
1952 Charley Maxwell #180 1952 Minnie Minoso #195 1956 Vic Wertz #300 1957 Billy Goodman #303 |
Also.....
1970 messersmith
1969 Duncan 1969 M. Andrews 1969 Hendley |
Tough commons update
I made a few additions to the list. Please keep adding suggestions. LET'S HEAR FROM THE BIG GRADERS!!!!!
1952 Topps: Bobby Hogue #9 Monty Basgall #12 Eddie Robinson #32 Lou Kretlow #42 Gordon Goldsberry #46 Marv Rickert #50 Al Zarilla #70 Wes Westrum #75 Herman Wehmeier #80 Charley Maxwell #180 1954 Topps: Hank Thompson #64 Fred Haney #75 Gene Woodling #101 Ben Wade #126 Frank Leja #175 Chuck Harmon #182 Buster Mills #227 1955 Topps: Art Fowler #3 Jim Hegan #7 Hal Smith #8 Bob Keegan #10 Andy Carey #20 Jack Parks #23 Dick Groat #26 J.W. Porter #49 Joe Collins #63 Frank Sullivan #106 Harry Agganis #152 Norm Zauchin #176 Jim Bolger #179 Tony Jacobs #183 Sherm Lollar #201 Jim Owens #202 Gene Freese #205 Billy Consolo #207 1957 Topps: Lou Kretlow #139 Mike Garcia #300 1958 Topps: John Roseboro #42 1959 Topps: Del Rice #104 Mickey Vernon #115 Bob Shaw #159 Duke Maas #167 Ruben Amaro #178 Stu Miller #183 Bob Bowman #221 Bobby Shantz #222 Don Demeter #324 Gus Triandos #330 Jim Hegan #372 Cal McLish #445 Tom Sturdivant #471 Charley Maxwell #481 Lindy McDaniel #479 Vic Wertz #500 1960 Topps: Felipe Alou #287 1961 Topps: Ralph Houk #133 Bill Virdon #306 1963 Topps: Pedro Ramos #14 Curt Simmons #22 Dick Schofield #34 Vic Power #40 Donnie Bowman #61 Ron Kline #84 Dick Stigman #89 Larry Burright #174 Jim Grant #227 Ellis Burton #262 Roy Sievers #283 Don Rudolph #291 Tommy Davis #310 Ernie Broglio #313 Dick Williams #328 Leon Wagner #335 Dom Zanni #354 Joe Azcue #501 1966 Topps: Sam Mele #3 Tommy Davis #75 Jerry Lumpe #161 Nick Willhite #171 AL Batting Leaders #216 1967 Topps: Jack Hamilton #2 Duke Sims #3 Matty Alou #10 Joe Sparma #13 Dave Bristol #21 Rick Wise #37 Joe Horner #41 Steve Barber #82 Jim Nash #90 Dick McAuliffe #170 Johnny Romano #196 Jack Kralick #316 Luis Tiant #377 Dave McNally #382 Andy Etchebarren #457 1969 Topps: Mike Ferraro #83 Kevin Collins #127 1970 Topps: Derron Johnson #125 Orioles Team #387 Ken Holtzman #505 Willie Horton #520 Wayne Garrett #628 Bud HArrelson #634 Pilots Team #713 1971 Topps: Jim Shellenback #295 Claude Raymond #536 Larry Brown #539 Willie Davis #585 Mike Wegener #608 Phil Regan #634 Bobby Murcer #635 Lee Maye #733 1972 Topps: Ray Culp #2 Bob Barton IA #40 Vida Blue IA #170 Paul Schaal #178 1973 Topps: Woodie Fryman #146 Don Wilson #217 Dave Lemonds #534 Bob Heise #547 Rangers Managers #549 Davy Johnson #550 Yankees Team #556 Frank Howard #560 Jim Geddes #561 Steve Kealey #581 Royals Managers #593 Vic Harris #594 Dwight Evans #614 Denny McLain #630 Fred Scherman #660 1974 Topps: Clay Carroll #111 Felix Millan #132 Fritz Peterson #229 Randy Hundley #319 Steve Braun #321 Jim Kaat #440 Bucket Dent #582 Ken Boswell #645 1975 Topps: Frank Tanana #16 Dave Giusti #53 Rusty Staub #90 Orioles Team #117 Jesus Alou #253 Len Randel #259 Danny Frisella #343 Sal Bando #380 Ross Grimsley #458 Darrell Evans #475 Will McEnaney #481 Tommy Davis #564 Juan Beniquez #601 1976 Topps: Rick Miller #302 Johnny Briggs #373 1977 Topps: Don Money #79 Jose Cardenal #610 Ron Guidry #656 1978 Topps: Rennie Stennett #165 Jackson Todd #481 Denny Doyle #642 1979 Topps: Mets Team #82 Pirates Team #244 Jerry Terrell #273 Rich Gale #298 Dave Skaggs #367 1980 Topps: Rick Reuschel #175 |
Also....
I had posted some more that should be added...see previos posts
1962 Chrisley 1969 Tony Taylor 1963 Dick Williams 1963 Cloninger 1963 Baldschun |
This is an awesome idea for a thread. But man the '70 Orioles team card really pisses me off.
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My copy is one of them, and I was holding out somewhat waiting for a better one to show up but when I seen this graded/authenticated signed copy, I decided to go for it. |
I know it may not apply, but the 1st card I always think of when always off center is mentioned is: 1967 #605 Shannon.
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tough commons
Wow. This is an amazing post. I go to shows looking for these types of cards exclusively. I can't wait to see what the final product looks like.
some to add: 1957 mid series tough 8's: Bob Thurman #279 Alex Kellner #280 Andy Carey #290 Irv Noren #298 (and it's a DP) Mike Garcia #300 Jack Phillips #307 Ernie Johnson #333 Granny Hamner #335 Taylor Phillips #343 Hal Naragon #347 Eddie Miksis #350 then Chuck Tanner #392 is a tough one 1958 Ossie Virgil #107 Bennie Daniels #392 |
new pick up
Snagged this gem using this post as a reference. Thanks
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1963 dick schofield
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Congratulations Greg! I never thought the card would grade an 8!!!!! I was thinking a 6. Good thing I am not in the grading business......
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Checking out PSA's site, most are better than the ones I have seen, but most will also give you an idea what I am talking about. William Werle is also another one. The left to right centering seems like it is always off. I found this one, which was one of the better ones I had seen, so I went for it. |
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Greg has one of the best eyes in the biz...his vision for grading is uncanny. He actually helped me concoct this whole list and I'm sure he could double the size of it easily. |
1952 topps
#180 Maxwell |
1953 Topps
Willie Miranda #278 high number second to last card in set. When I was completing the set this was the hardest one for me.
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