PWCC Offering
 

Has anyone ever heard of a grading company called, 'Hall of Fame Grading Co?' I thought I had heard over the years of all of them, but not this one. The reason I enquire is that a quite nice '53 Goudey Ruth in the current PWCC auction is entombed by this rather peculiar grader who gave, what is a vg/ex card, a nrmt + grade. Are they for real?

I'm generally surprised they are offering a card from that grading co. I hope they accept returns if it's not authentic or altered.

Hey John
I assume you meant 1933 and not 1953? That said I don't see any listed which are graded by that company. I do see this GAI Ruth and was going to sigh until I read the description.......Nice job on this one..

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1933-Goudey...-/401451821232

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PRO, not GAI ;)

Woops, my mistake. PRO is worse than GAI and that ain't saying much!!

And thanks David. I missed that one.

Here is the one Yoda is talking about.
James

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1933-Goudey...wAAOSw0W5aIH4g

It's the card just above the PRO card. I've never heard of the company, but their "mint 9" looks like a PSA 4 at best. And that's if it's not trimmed. :rolleyes:

Leon, you are right a '33 not '53 Goudey yellow bkg Ruth, but the Bambino in this case is plasticized by this strange grading co, HOF grading company, and not PRO. As you know, I am scan challenged, but the card is in among the current PWCC auction with six days to go and stands at around $1900.

That bottom edge looks bad to me. And while I'm complaining, what idiot at "hall of fame grading" decided that the '33 Goudey is Ruth's "rookie card?"

I agree that GAI > PRO, especially when it comes to GAIs early slabs, but as long as the buyer knows that PRO is a trimmed card, that's all that really matters in this case.

The same people at Beckett.

Never heard of Hall Of Fame grading co
Is the card wavy or is it trimmed all over the place?

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/5ewAA...4g/s-l1600.jpg

Grader's website ...
 

does not even seem to be real.... could not reach it...

I was kind of hoping for a new PWCC thread, day met

Well on the positive side, HallofFameGrading by cert number has graded over 91000000 cards.

On the negative side, I have not been able to find their website, www.HallofFameGrading.com

another stealth grading company that flies under the search engine radar:D

Worthy of attention!!!

Very Worthy...
 

..also worthy of attention is a ?? $35 ?? shipping----for one slabbed card ?? Wow..

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They is no www.halloffamegrading.com on the internet as listed on the slab.

the hall of fame example is actually intriguing .....

There is no such thing as a free lunch. I wouldn't touch it. Obviously there is something wrong with the card otherwise it would have been graded by PSA or SGC.

Stuff goes off the web, usually when a closed business doesn't pay for the website anymore.

Looks like this website was only active 2003-2005. So they have probably been out of business since late 05 (last archived on 19 Nov. ) It's possible they were gone earlier but the hosting company left their stuff up for a while. it happens, mostly from laziness - why spend time clearing the site off the server as long as there's room?

https://web.archive.org/web/*/www.halloffamegrading.com

Have you ever shipped a card worth a couple thousand dollars? Insurance is why the shipping cost is so high. If the card sells for $2500-3000 the shipping cost will be $35 or more.

Sorry to disappoint Pete, but I figured I'd post this here instead of starting or bumping yet another PWCC thread. Something else "worthy of attention" in the current auction is that they're selling a "? AUTHTCT" card, which they only describe as "AUTH" in their auction listing and description.

Incidentally, they did a similar thing last year with an E92 Bender card. Brent/Betsy pulled the listing after it was brought up here. I messaged PWCC four days ago about the Joss card and received a response three days ago from someone named Melody that they "will be investigating this further." Three days later, and the auction is still running. Whoever is listing the cards really needs to learn what "? AUTHTCT" means.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4574/...bd1bccbb_c.jpg

Sort of seems like they know almost nothing about the cards they sell. (When it's convenient, of course.)

Saw a Gehrig strip card listed right now that is black and white. Yet they describe it as "wonderful color". OK, whatever. Starting to look like they have a random adjective generator that kicks out their write ups.

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Surprised the Ruth didn’t get the PWCC HE sticker.

That is odd.....I've never known PWCC to auction off fake cards!!! What in the world is going on with them?? Do you think they hired people that know nothing about the cards they are selling??

I can't think of any possible answer based on that listing other than "yes."

PWCC Offering
 

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They also describe this one as mini! They didn’t just state that it is trimmed!

Description


Exceedingly popular Cobb production which presents like a VG+ card. Strong card stock with crisp edges and well formed corners. Irregular edge cuts along the top and bottom account for the assessment. Part of an exceptional run of ever popular T206's on the auction block this month. Nearly the entire issue is represented here with many showing better qualities than the technical grade suggests. The finest grouping to hit eBay in some time. One of over 12,000 cards, lots and sets up


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"MINSIZERQ" doesn't mean trimmed - it means it's factory-cut short, and they won't holder it. If they had determined it was trimmed, it would be "Authentic" instead of "MINSIZERQ," and would still be holdered.

That PRO holdered card might be trimmed. Or in other cases a completely fake card, as I have bought unwittingly before. And it wasn't a cheap learning lesson either. I had never seen a fake in a PRO holder until that one. It burned me bad as I resold it. I felt horrible and couldn't have given a refund any faster. It was several years ago. It was at the National and I even remember telling Mike Berkus (RIP, miss him at the Big Show) about the fiasco. Lesson learned.

...and that Joss auction has been taken down.

Well, there you go. I messaged them 4 days ago to give them the benefit of the doubt and let them fix it without putting it on a public forum. Nothing. And then it's down an hour after I finally posted here.

Makes no sense to me, but ok. Lesson learned.

I emailed Brent and he took it down immediately. If anyone has a glaring issue like this one with an advertiser, and they PM me, I will do my best to help. On these kinds of issues I am very successful :). I wish I was as successful at selling.

Minimum Size does Not Mean Trimmed
 

If PSA grades something minimum size it means they DO NOT THINK IT WAS TRIMMED. They even refund the grading fee paid because they won't slab despite it being a legit card. If they thought it trimmed it usually gets the altered code or authentic altered if slabbed. If we are going to criticize companies we should at least know the facts and definitions of the terms we/they are going to use.

I don't mind them listing it so much as I mind the glowing description. The odds that it's unaltered are extremely low IMO, given what it would be worth in a different holder.

Seems like they have two descriptions these days: (1) its an amazing card, one of the best we've ever sold, seen, handled, remarkable color/centering/focus, worthy of attention or (2) no hyperbole or description, just this one of the 20,000 cards we are selling.

I realize with their volume it's not realistic to take a deep dive on every card like some the smaller AH's do. But they have to make more of an effort to be objective in describing cards with obvious issues.

Blame that on Beckett, they have listed the 1933 Goudey Ruths as his rookie for years. I hope they have since changed that as it was just a few years before he retired.

I'm guessing your original message was not really worthy of attention.

I often confuse 18th year cards for rookies.