You ever have an auto that you know is genuine
 

because you witnessed it being signed, and yet others say it's fake? Curious how often this happens

I have. I posted this Sandy Koufax autograph I obtained in person at Spring Training two years ago and people said if I hadn't said I got this signature myself, they would have thought it was no good. However, in my personal experience this is the most authentic Koufax that exists:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4574/...d021f8d44c.jpg

Here's a Bryce Harper that gets looks too. Also got this one at Spring Training:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4573/...22bcb6296d.jpg

Story told a couple of times: I have a Michael Jordan signed Bulls jersey. Signed in front of me, along with a rookie card and an 8x10 and a basketball and a baseball. My uncle did bodyguard work for him so I had access to him for years. After 10+ years, I decide to sell the jersey and basketball last year. The ball passes, the jersey doesn't. Signed in front of me...

I suspect that this personally-obtained Mike Schmidt autograph would not pass scrutinization of many Net54 members:

2 IP Ichiros failed the first time, passed the 2nd time

I'm sure it happens hundreds if not thousands of times per day because autograph collectors think they're experts and autographs must look exactly a certain way regardless of the signers age, mood, level of sobriety, arthritis and on and on and on.

I still think the Mantle ball I posted in here two years ago that got the thumbs up from everyone here and later failed JSA is real. :D

absolutely, I mean look at these 4 Hank Aaron sigs:

early:https://images.psacard.com/s3/cu-psa...ll-1.jpg?h=400



middle:

https://images.psacard.com/s3/cu-psa...up-7.jpg?h=400



retired: https://images.psacard.com/s3/cu-psa...o-31.jpg?h=400



now the recent old age one :

https://images.psacard.com/s3/cu-psa...ll-3.jpg?h=400



all are authentic best I can tell, but that is a big change over the years!

I think the issue is more related to in person signings and a hobby view that every signature should be pristine. Shows really took off and private signings too. I think the majority of autographs obtained are at one or the other. But there is still a thriving in person autograph realm and you can't hold these types of signatures up to the same aesthetic scale. There are going to be variances due to crowd size, being in a hurry, etc.

I and A couple other board members went to a Jim Thome signing. What we all experienced was 2 distinct signatures depending on what he was signing. Balls jerseys etc. Got the A Signature cards tickets flats got the hurried B Signature.
As for in person signatures folks like Jacoby Elisbury Giancarlo Stanton David Ortiz and many many others use a glyph or shortened signature when signing for a crowd. Tough to authenticate

Yea, just look at all the new signed rookie cards inserted into modern day packs. Most are nothing more than a letter or 2 and either a line or loop or other random scribble. Very few have anything remotely legible anymore.

There are some good ones but they're few and far between.

I had a Muhammad Ali signed baseball removed by ebay years ago and iI personally handed him the ball at a little league baseball game and watched him sign it. Strange:confused: