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Brian Van Horn 02-09-2016 06:46 PM

Just curious if anyone else had the same concern about this card.....
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1912-T207-Br...vip=true&rt=nc

Specifically the bottom right corner.

1880nonsports 02-09-2016 08:07 PM

please don't sell the cow
 
just from my opinion - no card in hand - but I think it's just an optical illusion only seen in the scan taken of the front. That corner seems to be fine when looked at from the back.
That said - the card doctors are well practiced with sophisticated tools available with which to ply their trade - and people lining up to buy their wares. Getting something altered past a TPG isn't all that tough - especially with multiple submissions going through the black hole of grading - and then they're in.
As an aside - I have returned maybe 2/3 cards over 20 years and had to accept a single return - as it turns out from the esteemed leader of this site - long before he would go on to be king :-)
Well it was around 1994 and I bought a T207 from someone who is now a friend and sometimes national table partner - early base ball collector and dealer Glenn Mechanick. I was 2 years into collecting cards and as I started to educate myself by buying books and listening to dealers. As a result I was now afraid of all the things I was reading and hearing about fakes and alterations - I saw monsters around every corner. I think it was Parsipany(?) - a table with "the old stuff" caught my eye. A quick negotiation with the guy standing smiling behind the table and the card was mine. I was excited to bring my T207 home (my first of it's type) as I was just starting an N/T type card collection of base ball cards. I sat down at my desk, put it under a table lamp and pulled out a magnifier. Oh no! There was significant crazing to the photographic surface and my mind went immediately into panic mode. I figured the surface had cracked as a result of someone cutting the card along the edge and causing something like a shattering. Argh. I've been taken! In a panic I drove back to the show (from Brooklyn) THAT DAY. I warily approached the table as I had no idea how returning the card would go. Glenn stood by quietly listening to me drone on as to my observations and suppositions (I really didn't know very much - still don't - likely it was obvious) and he took the card back without a problem - in fact he thanked me for calling it to his attention.
A few years later we started up a conversation at a show and moved onto a friendship. One of the good things about our hobby. Next time I see him I have to remember to ask if he was just placating me.
Likely there was nothing wrong with the card......

ullmandds 02-09-2016 08:07 PM

honestly...i dont know about that one brian? it sure is a sharp card!

ullmandds 02-09-2016 08:07 PM

i agree with the dude...optical illusion!

Brian Van Horn 02-09-2016 08:21 PM

Not an optical illusion in my opinion.

1880nonsports 02-09-2016 08:43 PM

ok :-)
 
Hard for anyone to make a conclusive determination from a scan of a card in a holder on the interweb - especially one which doesn't seem to have a glaring defect. That's my opinion. Maybe you'll get some other opinions. I hope they are in agreement with you................

Leon 02-10-2016 06:53 AM

to me all of the corners look just about as pointed as the others. I vote not trimmed from the scan...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn (Post 1502384)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1912-T207-Br...vip=true&rt=nc

Specifically the bottom right corner.


ullmandds 02-14-2016 07:26 PM

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1914-CRACKER...gAAOSwPcVVwroR

how about this? optical illusion?

Leon 02-14-2016 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1504267)

Personally I think that one is only wrinkled. '14s are really thin and I have seen that look many times before. Grading is subjective....

3-2-count 02-14-2016 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1504267)

That CJ looks fine to me. I've seen many rippled and wrinkled like this due to the extreme thin paper they're printed on.

ullmandds 02-14-2016 07:57 PM

wavy gravy!

MW1 02-14-2016 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn (Post 1502384)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1912-T207-Br...vip=true&rt=nc

Specifically the bottom right corner.

I've handled about 100 NM-MT T207s over the years and this one has a cut that is typical of a high-grade example, some TL corner wear notwithstanding. The CJ referenced in this thread also looks fine, just warped, which can happen with this issue.

gnaz01 02-15-2016 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 3-2-count (Post 1504279)
That CJ looks fine to me. I've seen many rippled and wrinkled like this due to the extreme thin paper they're printed on.

Agreed


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