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eastonfalcon19 06-07-2015 07:20 AM

Babe Ruth Thoughts
 
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What do you guys think of this Babe?

btcarfagno 06-07-2015 07:24 AM

Scratchy but I like the looks of it.

Tom C

eastonfalcon19 06-07-2015 09:11 AM

Thanks Tom I appreciate the feedback.

eastonfalcon19 06-07-2015 02:01 PM

Any other opinions?

khkco4bls 06-07-2015 06:36 PM

I'm no expert but I think real...

Econteachert205 06-07-2015 07:01 PM

My amateur eye likes it

JollyElm 06-07-2015 10:33 PM

The Babe auto aside, why in heck did someone write out Lincoln's Gettysburg Address on a piece of bank stationery and then get The Bambino to sign it?? I know Wilkes Barre isn't too far from Gettysburg, but what the hey?? Inquiring minds want to know, what is the connection between Babe Ruth and this piece of paper or that bank?

Bpm0014 06-08-2015 07:04 AM

I'm far from an autograph expert, but I feel I have a pretty good eye for Ruth. I'm about 99%+ positive this is no good. It would also be atypical for Ruth to write the name of city and date it. In addition, the "a" and "e" in "Babe" are off. The "a" is a little too narrow and pointy, and the middle of the "e" is too pointy as well. In my honest opinion....

Westsiders 06-08-2015 09:15 AM

Authenticity aside (although I happen to agree with BPM on this one), I simply don't like this piece aesthetically. Both it's condition and placement on the document greatly detract from its ability to be properly displayed.

Bpm0014 06-08-2015 09:39 AM

Actually, after examining this a second time, I'm 100% convinced it's no good. Almost every letter in "Barre" is off. When Ruth writes "Sincerely", the "ere" almost look identical. In "Barre", the "r" and "e" are distinct....and wrong. No good 100%.

eastonfalcon19 06-08-2015 10:28 AM

Thank you everyone for the feedback. I need to get better at identifying a good Ruth signature myself. The story I got was that it was obtained in Wilkes Berra during a barnstorming game. I have read that Ruth played up there and also hunted and fished in the area. That's all I have but would love to hear more and learn more about the Babe's auto. Thanks again.

Shoeless Moe 06-08-2015 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by eastonfalcon19 (Post 1419244)
Thank you everyone for the feedback. I need to get better at identifying a good Ruth signature myself. The story I got was that it was obtained in Wilkes Berra during a barnstorming game. I have read that Ruth played up there and also hunted and fished in the area. That's all I have but would love to hear more and learn more about the Babe's auto. Thanks again.

I could be completely wrong but shouldn't he have been at Spring Training on March 4, not barnstorming.

travrosty 06-08-2015 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bpm0014 (Post 1419231)
Actually, after examining this a second time, I'm 100% convinced it's no good. Almost every letter in "Barre" is off. When Ruth writes "Sincerely", the "ere" almost look identical. In "Barre", the "r" and "e" are distinct....and wrong. No good 100%.

The e in Barre is at the end of the word, like the e in babe, so it is different that the e in sincerely, which isnt at the end of the word, so that is faulty logic. and because he puts the location doesnt mean it is a strike against it, remember the nicely signed "Salt lake city" inscription that he wrote out?

that being said, i dont know if its real or not, but those reasons aren't really valid for determining the authenticity.

Westsiders 06-08-2015 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by travrosty (Post 1419257)
The e in Barre is at the end of the word, like the e in babe, so it is different that the e in sincerely, which isnt at the end of the word, so that is faulty logic. and because he puts the location doesnt mean it is a strike against it, remember the nicely signed "Salt lake city" inscription that he wrote out?

that being said, i dont know if its real or not, but those reasons aren't really valid for determining the authenticity.

I see your point on this, but have to disagree. The "e" that I'm having a big problem with is the "e" in "Wilkes". Whether it falls at the beginning, middle, or end of a word, that particular letter formation isn't close.

Bpm0014 06-08-2015 12:12 PM

The relation of the letters to where they fall in the word, isn't as important as the connection of the letters ("r" to the "e") themselves. If someone can post a picture (or mulitples) of how the Babe writes the word "Sincerely", you'll know what I mean. They are extremely uniform. Here, they are vastly different. Nor do his "r's" even remotely look like the example above....

sinceREly

wilkes barRE

btcarfagno 06-08-2015 01:04 PM

I am certainly no expert in the Babe, especially his very day handwriting. What I know is that his "E"'s in his regular handwriting always look like the funky E in his signature. The R's in the OP (in Barre) may be a bit off but not terribly so, especially if there was an issue with the writing implement which seems like it may have been the case here.

I don't know. If that is a fake Ruth, it is a really really good one.

That said, I agree that the media and placement thereupon leaves a ton to be desired.

Tom C

mschwade 06-09-2015 08:41 AM

My personal opinion is no good.

Runscott 06-09-2015 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Bpm0014 (Post 1419231)
Actually, after examining this a second time, I'm 100% convinced it's no good. Almost every letter in "Barre" is off. When Ruth writes "Sincerely", the "ere" almost look identical. In "Barre", the "r" and "e" are distinct....and wrong. No good 100%.

I agree that it's bad, but I disagree that the 'ere' look identical in Ruth's writing. Compared to this example they might seem to look identical in a good one (because here it's horrible), but when comparing two examples of 'Sincerely', one good and one bad, by forgers that were even halfway thinking, the forgery can often be spotted because the letters DO look identical.

I also agree with you about the 'a', but while his 'a' is often narrow, it doesn't come up to the 'b' that way.

Just my two cents - nice not to have any skin in the game on these discussions.

Bpm0014 06-10-2015 07:24 AM

When Ruth writes "Sincerely", the "ere" almost look identical.

Hi Scott. To clarify, I said the ere almost look identical (although you can definitely spot a subtle difference) in an authentic one. But yes, we are on the same page haha. The example above looks nothing like an authentic one.

Runscott 06-10-2015 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Bpm0014 (Post 1419922)
But yes, we are on the same page haha.

Careful, you might get a reputation...that could follow you all across the internet :eek:

Bpm0014 06-10-2015 02:44 PM

Haha. I'm ok with that...

eastonfalcon19 06-11-2015 04:46 AM

Thank you again for all of the feedback. It's greatly appreciated.


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