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darkhorse9 03-25-2014 07:48 PM

Why no Red Man Mantle's?
 
I'm sure there's a simple explanation, but I've wondered why Mickey Mantle never appeared in a Red Man set. He was certainly an All-Star through all the years of the release or so but he isn't present.

Why?

the 'stache 03-26-2014 02:42 AM

Mantle had an exclusive contract with Bowman for the 1954 and 1955 seasons. As far as the '52 and '53 seasons go, I don't know. Maybe one of our other forum members can shed some light on this.

moeson 03-26-2014 07:01 AM

That Bowman contact apparently had no impact on Dan Dee and Red Heart in 1954.

ALR-bishop 03-26-2014 09:06 AM

Contracts
 
Not sure about Bowman, but the Topps contracts were never totally exclusive....for antitrust reasons. The Topps contracts were only exclusive as to the marketing of the player's likeness with gum or confections ( candy). Hence the Fleer cookie in 63 and the Leaf marble in 61. I think Bowman was likely also gum and candy. In the early days cards were the promotion to sell something else, like tobacco, and then gum/candy

Bob Lemke 03-26-2014 02:35 PM

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This is my take on such a card . . .

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pawpawdiv9 03-26-2014 03:41 PM

Hey Bob, i got some old paper stock from the 50's,:D that a really cool pic.
btw, just saw your avatar, is that Pt yours?

ALR-bishop 03-26-2014 03:43 PM

What if...,
 
Very nice Bob

toppcat 03-26-2014 04:28 PM

Bowman and Topps were exclusive for confectionery items only, I suspect the Mick had a another deal somewhere with a tobacco exclusive, maybe Phillies cigars?

the 'stache 03-27-2014 01:19 AM

I'm just going by what I read in Old Cardboard(issue #30, Fall 2013, p34) regarding the Sports Illustrated baseball cards.

Quote:

The Mantle card from the black-and-white fantasy subset is a classic. Because rival Bowman Gum Company owned exclusive rights to picture Mantle on its gum cards, Topps was unable to do so. Because the magazine was not so restricted, the Mantle "fantasy" card was as close as Topps would come to issuing a Mantle card that year.
I don't know the details of the contract. It's possible it was signed after some of these other products had been released. It's also possible that the exclusivity pertained to candy/gum only, as Al alluded to. Dan Dee (potato chips) and Red Heart (dog food), of course, would not fall within this restriction.

Bob Lemke 03-27-2014 02:18 PM

Hello Chris,

Yes the PT Cruiser is my daily driver. I've had it since 2002. The flame decals are now gone; they faded badly. Nearing 100,000 miles.

pawpawdiv9 03-27-2014 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Lemke (Post 1259305)
Hello Chris,

Yes the PT Cruiser is my daily driver. I've had it since 2002. The flame decals are now gone; they faded badly. Nearing 100,000 miles.

Nice, mine is a '03 steel blue..has about 65k miles. I customized mine too!
Chrome any and everything. Added a custom Calif. visor. engine wise i did tons more, cold air-intake, power strut bar, relocated the battery box.
Over the past monty, my baby got some tree damage and the collision place did a bad paint job, color was like it was painted new, but didnt match the rest of the car, because they say it been faded over 10 yrs, I say what, Match it!
or paint the whole car. Screw these insurance people.

Sorry guys, if this got off-topic, other than my dog and my baseball cards, I love my car. :D

Volod 03-27-2014 05:37 PM

Cancer sticks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by toppcat (Post 1258898)
Bowman and Topps were exclusive for confectionery items only, I suspect the Mick had a another deal somewhere with a tobacco exclusive, maybe Phillies cigars?

Dave, I have wonder about contractual exclusivity with respect to tobacco products. Afterall, Musial and Williams both endorsed products like Lucky Strike and Chesterfield, while appearing in the Red Man chew sets. And, while Philly Cigars had endorsement deals with the Yankees, I tend to think Mantle, as boyish as he was in those days, would not have made a good cigar model. On the other hand, his licensing agent was pretty shrewd, what with the Bowman exclusive, so maybe he just wanted a bigger cut for his image than Red Man was willing to give him.


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