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tbob 09-22-2013 12:34 PM

Any opinions on this card being genuine?
 
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I see some red flags with the snow white borders and color looking "öff" but I wondered if anyone else had an opinion? The bidding has been sporadic and the card is at around $250, a lot for a reprint but a tiny fraction of what this card is worth if real. Seller says absolutely no returns but believes it is genuine. Lots of red flags, although 100% feedback on ebay. Listing number 200965244817. Sorry I can't make links on my laptop. E95 Matty in CSA 8.5 holder. Looks NM.

philliesfan 09-22-2013 12:37 PM

My first thought at first glance is reprint but I am no expert.

Red Flags = probable fake.

Robert

calvindog 09-22-2013 12:44 PM

Bob, that's about as fake as fake can be.

gnaz01 09-22-2013 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 1187779)
Bob, that's about as fake as fake can be.

Very much agree with Jeff! Isn't that the same grading company as the Cobb/Edwards Wagner?? :D

Paul S 09-22-2013 12:52 PM

Bleh!! Love the "Matthewson" (sic)

Slow Sunday for you?

buymycards 09-22-2013 01:20 PM

spelling
 
Wouldn't you think if you were making a fake card you would at least spell his freaking name correctly?

Sincerely,

Baib Rooth.

Mark 09-22-2013 01:21 PM

This is realer:
 
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kmac32 09-22-2013 01:39 PM

Faker faker belly acher

tbob 09-22-2013 01:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by buymycards (Post 1187787)
Wouldn't you think if you were making a fake card you would at least spell his freaking name correctly?

Sincerely,

Baib Rooth.

Rick- The Matty E95 card has his name misspelled.

conor912 09-22-2013 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tbob (Post 1187776)
Seller says absolutely no returns

One of the reddest of red flags.

Bored5000 09-22-2013 01:59 PM

The grade and the CSA holder would be enough to be a major red flag that something is very wrong. By comparison, PSA doesn't show any Matty E95's above a "7" in their population report, and that one sold for over $14K.

There are some deals to be found on eBay, but not 99 percent off what a card of an inner circle HoFer is worth.

calvindog 09-22-2013 02:05 PM

The card looks like a refrigerator magnet or a coaster for a drink.

oldjudge 09-22-2013 02:24 PM

I think it is a reprint. In the "Matthewson" the "w" seems to be below the "e" in the reprint and much less so, if at all, in the real card. Also, the comma appears different.

nolemmings 09-22-2013 02:57 PM

Yuck.
 
It looks to me like it glows in the dark.

irishdenny 09-22-2013 02:57 PM

Gentleman, Let me start by saying that I've seen this card before. imhistOp, the color's are all wrong, All of them. Matty's belt loops are way to dark which brings the color of his entire uniform into question.

"it's a CSA fake", & they should be ashamed of themselves for slabbing it!

But what to I know... I've been playing with Electrons for the past 35 years ;-)

buymycards 09-22-2013 04:16 PM

tbob
 
Hi tbob,
Sorry, I didn't know that. Oh well, that's not the first stupid post that I have made. :)

Thanks,
Rick

ullmandds 09-22-2013 04:19 PM

Is this what you'd call...a "senior" moment?

chaddurbin 09-22-2013 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1187843)
Is this what you'd call...a "senior" moment?

tbob, you know better than this.

Bored5000 09-22-2013 04:57 PM

The auction also looks like it is getting shilled pretty severely. The current high bidder has 27 bid retractions in the past six months. There is also an underbidder with 11 bid retractions in the mix.

nsaddict 09-22-2013 05:13 PM

Current high bidder with 52% with this seller, also 8 bid retractions in last 30 days = mich_trader

Leon 09-23-2013 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by nsaddict (Post 1187861)
Current high bidder with 52% with this seller, also 8 bid retractions in last 30 days = mich_trader

I think someone is going to get burned on this one...here's the linky

http://www.ebay.com/itm/200965244817...817%26_rdc%3D1


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Mark 09-23-2013 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 1187972)
I think someone is going to get burned on this one...here's the linky

http://www.ebay.com/itm/200965244817...817%26_rdc%3D1


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It's odd how the back of the card looks like a slightly worn e95 card might look. But the slightly worn back isn't consistent with the pristine front.

ZachS 09-23-2013 11:05 AM

Just looking at that card the height to length ratio looks "off". It looks too wide to be a real E95 unless the scan somehow stretched it.

Also, I'm thinking of flipping my E95 Matty SGC 10... it could probably be a CSA 3:cool:

MW1 09-23-2013 11:22 AM

It's an obvious reprint. There is zero chance of the card being authentic.

jujudrum 09-23-2013 12:41 PM

Obviously a reprint. It's not even close.

jbbama 09-23-2013 01:34 PM

..............................
 
unreal........ as in not real, not as in :eek: "man, thats unreal"

Surely no one will get duped by that????

ZachS 09-23-2013 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jbbama (Post 1188044)
unreal........ As in not real, not as in :eek: "man, thats unreal"

surely no one will get duped by that????

$1100

Leon 09-23-2013 02:36 PM

$1091...and how fitting of a name for this seller!!


jams_vintage_cards


Looks like someone will really get jammed....


http://www.ebay.com/itm/200965244817...817%26_rdc%3D1


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caramelcard 09-23-2013 02:40 PM

They can always call CSA and get their money back. I hear they respond as well as GAI.

chaddurbin 09-23-2013 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by caramelcard (Post 1188069)
They can always call CSA and get their money back. I hear they respond as well as GAI.

it is monday.

RCMcKenzie 09-23-2013 03:04 PM

Son los cromos de beisbol del pantano negro, No?

MW1 09-23-2013 03:13 PM

Apparently, an image of an authentic E95 Mathewson was used but the card was a little short for the template for the copy/reprint so a little extra white border was addded at the top, which was a different shade from the original border color.

auggiedoggy 09-23-2013 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jbbama (Post 1188044)
unreal........ as in not real, not as in :eek: "man, thats unreal"

Surely no one will get duped by that????

Well, looks like someone did get duped to the tune of $1,091.00. :eek:

Oh and don't call me Shirley.

p.s. That joke is a lot funnier when its not in textual form. :(

Leon 09-25-2013 01:28 PM

I am going to guess the seller didn't know what he was doing. But in looking at the auction again, isn't it kind of strange to have your picture (I assume it's the seller) as your avatar on ebay?

http://www.ebay.com/usr/jams_vintage_cards

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tbob 09-26-2013 04:03 PM

"We only sell high end cards and literally have never had a complaint about the cards we have sold."

They are about to get one :D
Wonder what ebay will do this? It clearly says in the guy's ad that all graded cards are absolutely no returns, selling as is, if something is wrong with the card, take it up with the grading company. Yet ebay will force a seller to return the money if something is counterfeit, fraud etc.
Guy's feedback is 100%...
This will be interesting to watch...

egbeachley 09-26-2013 04:27 PM

Since EBay doesn't seem to care about buyers making bid retractions, has anyone considered making a large bid that is shilled up and them making there own bid retraction right before the 12-hour limit? That way the shiller gets stuck paying the EBay fees.


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