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mighty bombjack 11-19-2012 06:17 PM

Wayne and Mike Stivers COA
 
Google search isn't turning up much. Anyone know anything bout these guys?

Duluth Eskimo 11-19-2012 07:21 PM

Good guys, but as usual judge the item not the cert.

Scott Garner 11-19-2012 07:36 PM

Wayne Stivers
 
Wayne is a long time collector/dealer in the hobby and he comes recommended.
I definitely agree with the philosophy of the previous poster that you should examine any piece carefully, FWIW.

mighty bombjack 11-19-2012 07:51 PM

Thanks guys. There is a seller with a number of TOUGH autos for sale, promising Stivers COAs. I don't like a number of the autos, and the prices are very low for many of these guys. I just saw the names and wanted to ask.

Runscott 11-19-2012 09:32 PM

Do you mean Wayne Stivers who has been compiling Negro League box scores forever, and who collects and sells Negro league player autographs, etc.? If so, he's someone who I've communicated with regularly over the years and I certainly trust him. I'm unaware of his doing any authentication.

mighty bombjack 11-19-2012 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Runscott (Post 1054260)
Do you mean Wayne Stivers who has been compiling Negro League box scores forever, and who collects and sells Negro league player autographs, etc.? If so, he's someone who I've communicated with regularly over the years and I certainly trust him. I'm unaware of his doing any authentication.

I don't know if that's who I mean.

Take a look at this auction. I have plenty of reasons not to make this purchase, but I noticed the names in the auction and wanted to ask if they meant anything to anyone here.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/281021966606...84.m1438.l2649

Same seller has a number of high end autos with the same "Lifetime Letter of Authenticity - Wayne and Mike Stivers" line.

drc 11-19-2012 10:18 PM

The Wayne Scott mentioned is a Negro Leagues researcher for the Baseball Hall of Fame.

daves_resale_shop 03-17-2013 07:30 AM

Stivers COA-Bresnahan Auto
 
Came across this one on ebay (ends today)...

Auto seems questionable at best given Keurajian & other examplars...

What do you guys think? Is this gentleman a reputable autograph dealer?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ROGER-BRESNA...item41716afbbd

RichardSimon 03-17-2013 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mighty bombjack (Post 1054214)
Thanks guys. There is a seller with a number of TOUGH autos for sale, promising Stivers COAs. I don't like a number of the autos, and the prices are very low for many of these guys. I just saw the names and wanted to ask.

Wayne,
Seems like you already knew the answer to your question before you asked.

mighty bombjack 03-17-2013 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardSimon (Post 1104305)
Wayne,
Seems like you already knew the answer to your question before you asked.

This was a while back, but I certainly did know the answer on that specific auto (don't remember who it was). I was looking to educate myself on the name Stivers. Really, I was asking if that was a bad auto somehow fraudulently attached to a reputable LOA or if the LOA itself was meaningless.

Know what I mean? There are some LOAs that turn me away from even considering the auto itself. There are some that don't.

mighty bombjack 03-17-2013 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daves_resale_shop (Post 1104277)
Came across this one on ebay (ends today)...

Auto seems questionable at best given Keurajian & other examplars...

What do you guys think? Is this gentleman a reputable autograph dealer?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ROGER-BRESNA...item41716afbbd

This seller was mentioned in the current "eBay isn't taking anything down" thread. I agree with Richard that some of his stuff looks legit, particularly in completed auctions, but a huge amount of his stuff is BAD. I'd stay away.

RichardSimon 03-17-2013 09:43 AM

That seller is either knowingly mixing good with bad autographs or he had no clue and just bought without doing any homework.

daves_resale_shop 03-17-2013 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mighty bombjack (Post 1104332)
This seller was mentioned in the current "eBay isn't taking anything down" thread. I agree with Richard that some of his stuff looks legit, particularly in completed auctions, but a huge amount of his stuff is BAD. I'd stay away.

Thanks Wayne,

Just finished reading that thread and looking at the sellers listings... The George wright is as amazing as the Grover Alexander and John McGraw that he recently slipped through the eBay cracks...

jgmp123 03-17-2013 11:10 AM

Yeah I hate that this guy has been peddling fakes with the occasional real auto in there...I do believe that the McGowan and Billy Evans are real...the rest, not so much...

daves_resale_shop 03-17-2013 12:27 PM

the evans looks good, but looking at keurajian's exemplars the McGowan appears off...

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgmp123 (Post 1104361)
Yeah I hate that this guy has been peddling fakes with the occasional real auto in there...I do believe that the McGowan and Billy Evans are real...the rest, not so much...


earlywynnfan 03-17-2013 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mighty bombjack (Post 1104327)
This was a while back, but I certainly did know the answer on that specific auto (don't remember who it was). I was looking to educate myself on the name Stivers. Really, I was asking if that was a bad auto somehow fraudulently attached to a reputable LOA or if the LOA itself was meaningless.

Know what I mean? There are some LOAs that turn me away from even considering the auto itself. There are some that don't.

Wayne Stivers is/was one of the best of the best, the #1 guy to go to for Negro Lg autos. He dabbled in some others, but I have no recollection of him selling higher-end MLB guys. Also, none of my LOA's from items I got from Wayne have "Mike" included; I don't have an explanation for this.

Ken

theshleps 03-18-2013 12:15 PM

Stivers
 
I have bought from Wayne over the years. I bought a Andy Cooper that is a perfect match to the one in the Negro Leagues book but not a match to the one in Ron's new book. Also got a Mathewson from him that Jim Stinson looked at and was't sure. Might sell the Cooper as it should be worth alot. Got lots os Negro League from him and he did supply COA's on some.

Runscott 03-18-2013 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan (Post 1104430)
Wayne Stivers is/was one of the best of the best, the #1 guy to go to for Negro Lg autos. He dabbled in some others, but I have no recollection of him selling higher-end MLB guys. Also, none of my LOA's from items I got from Wayne have "Mike" included; I don't have an explanation for this.

Ken

All I know is that Wayne has helped me out tremendously over the years, with black baseball history research - always willing to share information, and very appreciative of anything I've been able to help him with. I've only bought one item from him, which I was very happy with.

JimStinson 03-18-2013 03:10 PM

JimStinson
 
The listing was for an autograph of Roger Bresnaham, and the autograph sold for $76.00.

ROGER BRESNAHAN'S autograph sells for $1,000 and up as he is a Hall of Fame catcher that has been deceased for almost 70 years.

I've never heard of Roger Bresnaham , but I'm guessing the fellow that paid $76.00 for his autograph HAS. But whoever it is it comes with a COA, I wonder how the name is spelled on that.
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RichardSimon 03-18-2013 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimStinson (Post 1104819)
The listing was for an autograph of Roger Bresnaham, and the autograph sold for $76.00.

ROGER BRESNAHAN'S autograph sells for $1,000 and up as he is a Hall of Fame catcher that has been deceased for almost 70 years.

I've never heard of Roger Bresnaham , but I'm guessing the fellow that paid $76.00 for his autograph HAS. But whoever it is it comes with a COA, I wonder how the name is spelled on that.
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Hey, if a letter can sell for $30K that was signed "Ed Delehanty" then Roger Bresnaham can sell for $76.:rolleyes:

JimStinson 03-18-2013 03:43 PM

JimStinson
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardSimon (Post 1104828)
Hey, if a letter can sell for $30K that was signed Ed Delehanty then Roger Bresnaham can sell for $76.:rolleyes:

I'm holding out for a LOIS GEHRIG or BABE ROOT...;)
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RichardSimon 03-18-2013 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimStinson (Post 1104836)
I'm holding out for a LOIS GEHRIG or BABE ROOT...;)
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How much will you pay?? :D

travrosty 03-20-2013 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardSimon (Post 1104828)
Hey, if a letter can sell for $30K that was signed "Ed Delehanty" then Roger Bresnaham can sell for $76.:rolleyes:

checking the spelling of ed's last name was not psa or jsa's strong suit.


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