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Wha' Dat?
I don't pretend to be all-knowing, but I have never seen this issue before. Is it truly an uncatalogued tobacco era card? Or is it bogus?:eek:http://www.ebay.com/itm/circa-1910-J...item337d7bb47f
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I had pictures of the Bliss and Chance cards in my catalog files for many years, but never learned anything concrete about them.
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Well it seems that a couple folks woke up (because of this thread?) It was sitting @ $18 and some change. I put a "why not" bid and got the lead with $19. As I type this, two bidders (neither is the former high bidder) have it up to $41. :D
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It's not every day that you get a Chance for Bliss. Don't worry. Be happy.:D |
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Mike
Mike, was your question so important that you couldn't wait until the auction was over?
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The black line suggest a cut-out. I applaud the seller for being up front in the description.
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Very cool item. What does the back look like? Is it a blank back?
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In my opinion, these are uncatalogued because they're modern, i.e., not from the deadball era. Bliss (career ended 1912) and Hornsby (who must be the source of the "Rajahs" name; career began 1915) missed each other by several years.
There were several hobby issues of deadball players in the 50's and 60's. I doubt this card is older than that. Bill |
I'm with Bill on this one. The font and style just don't seem right to me. It lacks a crispness of true lithography.
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Figured I throw the pic up here for those searching down the road after the ebay link dries up.
http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/...4LvnYQ60_3.jpg |
I have no idea if they are old or not but I checked google last night for companies using the name Rajah for that era and came up with a cigar company, coffee, chocolate and sparkplugs just through a quick search so I wouldn't assume the name is connected to Hornsby so quickly. Found four options without digging deep so it was a rather common term/slogan during that era.
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Outing this auction probably helped the price. I was going to have a go at it before it was put on the board. I blew it off once it was. Such is life...
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I have to try that Google thing once in a while, myself. The "Rajahs" name may not be from Hornsby, but that seems like a big coincidence. Bill |
Savage and Semi-barbarous
http://www.ebay.com/itm/N189-Kimball...-/220767022736
The Rajah of Nagound indeed preceded Hornsby and is still available for all you Rajah collectors. |
I'm with those who don't believe it's a 1910 era piece. I just don't get that feeling when I look at it. I do think it's vintage, just not that far back. I was very surprised at the final price. I thought I remembered seeing the same card offered on eBay a while back also. And if it sold back then it wasn't for nearly this much.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/N224-Kinney-...item460151a74e Edited to add: Check out the shadow on this card, looks like they started it and then said, eh screw it |
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I have become intrigued by the 50 semi-barbarous Kimball savages (N189) and while reviewing the images I found one savage that appears to be armed with a whisk broom. Nasty fellow indeed.;) |
Bliss is ignorance
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I was the seller
Hi, all. I was the seller. I want to say that I don't know bocacardman, but I think he had a fair question that did not materially effect the final price. Although my item recieved many more views, the people that were serious about the card were already on it and asking questions.
I want to thank Bob Lemke for weighing in with his knowledge on/of this series and would like to see any new information that anyone has on these. I think Bill makes a valid point about Bliss and Hornsby's careers not overlapping. I can't remember if the Frank Chance card says 'Cubs' or 'Rajahs'. If it says 'Cubs' then I would move the series to around 1918 or so. The card is not from the sixties, perhaps my scan was not detailed enough and you would see what I mean if you were holding the card. |
I had the ingenious idea to look up players with the last name Bliss, to see if any played for a minor league team named the "Rajahs" and while I found no matches, I did find this. Use this info for good only, no evil please.
Dick Bliss played for an 1894 California Players Lg team named the San Francisco Hot Peanuts. The team had an outfielder named John Fogarty, no mention if he played center field. I swear if someone ever makes replica jerseys from the minor leagues, I am buying a SF Hot Peanuts jersey, along with a Utica Pentups one and half of the 1902 Missouri Valley League teams: Iola Gasbags, Jefferson City Convicts and Nevada Lunatics |
Kaboom!!!!!!
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Zeenuts
There is a first name "Roy" Bliss from the 1913, 1914 and 1917 zeenuts listed as a Salt Lake player. Frank Chance is also in the 1917 Zeenut series.
I like to collect mainstream issues, but also like to buy cards that have a "Patterson film", Jesse Ventura-like aspect to them. These types of cards always make for good discussion. |
There is (has been?) a Rajah tobacco company that makes cigarettes. I don't know much about their history or how long they've been in business. I do know that there were several British tobacco companies (like Pirate) who did produce baseball cards. If Rajah tobacco has been around for the last hundred years its possible they distributed cards. Being India based would explain their rarity like the Pirate cards.
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All of the "gas" jokes were juvenile and appreciated. And nice final price, as well. Bill |
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Here is the back. I am a fan of science. If this card was made by Topps in 1962 and 'professionally distressed', or if it came from a box of cigars distributed in India in 1917. I'd just like to know. In my auction description I said that the card was unknown. People know/knew about this card. My guess is Bob Lemke has scans of this exact card, not one similar to it. The high bidder is a hobby expert, so after I send him the card, I expect we may learn more about what it is or where it originated. |
Rajahs
This topic came up years ago. Rajahs refers to St Louis Cardinals with Roger Bresnahan. Jack Bliss was a catcher as well.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...lissja01.shtml Patrick |
Rajah
Great observation Patrick...I just spent a little time searching the internet, and came up with a September 2, 1911 Pittsburg Gazette newspaper article on Roger Bresnahan that refers to him as 'Rajah' about a dozen times. I think that would link this Bliss card to the 1911-12 time frame. And the card looks authentic and from this time period--perhaps from a notebook, as has been conjectured.
Congrats to the winner--they definitely got something completely different. Brian |
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