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danmckee 05-27-2012 12:13 PM

Careful, BLATANT FAKE Walter Johnson
 
I have reported this several times and received some disheartening emails from the seller:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/251068420991...84.m1952.l2649

3-2-count 05-27-2012 12:18 PM

He's also selling a bad E90-1 Cobby. Sadly it already has a bid.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-T209-E-...item3a74d80dec

danmckee 05-27-2012 12:25 PM

Maybe with some board member's help we can get these 2 bogus auctions shut down from this joker.

barrysloate 05-27-2012 12:53 PM

A Walter Johnson with a Southern League back...come on, give us a break.

tiger8mush 05-27-2012 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danmckee (Post 997706)
Maybe with some board member's help we can get these 2 bogus auctions shut down from this joker.

I reported them both!

kcohen 05-27-2012 02:20 PM

I've reported both and I urge others to follow suit. The Cobb definitely looks bad to me. You handle enough of a particular issue and you can just tell. But if someone asked me for specifics as to why it's bad, I couldn't provide them. Could someone help me here?

3-2-count 05-27-2012 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcohen (Post 997733)
I've reported both and I urge others to follow suit. The Cobb definitely looks bad to me. You handle enough of a particular issue and you can just tell. But if someone asked me for specifics as to why it's bad, I couldn't provide them. Could someone help me here?

The colors are off including the white border shade surrounding his image, but more noticeable is the premature aging the card has been given.
I've owned a lot of E90-1's and have never seen those stress marks throughout like this fake displays.

calvindog 05-27-2012 02:53 PM

Both of those cards are hilariously bad fakes. Unreal.

danmckee 05-27-2012 03:43 PM

The printed on paper cracking is a dead give away on both. Also as Barry stated, wrong back on the Walter Johnson. I have reported them 3 ti,es, no luck yet.

Exhibitman 05-27-2012 03:57 PM

Unfortunately, no one has ever gone broke underestimating the intelligence of the American consumer, which makes regulation necessary, even though anyone stupid enough to buy a clear fake with an impossible back simply should not be buying raw T206s at all.

buymycards 05-27-2012 04:12 PM

Sellers response
 
Before you do something and say something you DONT KNOW FOR FACT maybe you should contact me first....These cards were taken to a local deal and were stated as real by him, and he deals in this stuff....next the card conditions and information are true so please keep your OPINIONS to yourself


- penalty_box_sportscards


That was the sellers response when I sent him a message. He is either really ignorant or really crooked.

Leon 05-27-2012 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buymycards (Post 997758)
He is either really ignorant or really crooked.


Does it have to be "either or" or could it be "and" ?


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tedzan 05-27-2012 04:29 PM

Ken Cohen....et al
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kcohen (Post 997733)
I've reported both and I urge others to follow suit. The Cobb definitely looks bad to me. You handle enough of a particular issue and you can just tell. But if someone asked me for specifics as to why it's bad, I couldn't provide them. Could someone help me here?

OK....here is the "specifics" why the E90 Cobb is a REPRINT....check out the upper left area on the back of this card and you will find evidence of paper loss.

E90's were reprinted some years back. And, in that upper left area on the backs of all these reprints is the letter "C". Therefore, and I've seen this before on
ebay, the seller will scrape off the "C"....leaving a small area of paper loss.

It's as easy as that to detect these reprints. Furthermore, when you compare an original E90-1 card to these reprints, you will see that the reprint is a tad
smaller than a real E90.

Otherwise, some of the fronts of these reprints that I have seen are pretty good replicas. If I was at home I'd scan a Cy Young I have to illustrate what I've
described here.


TED Z

kcohen 05-27-2012 04:39 PM

Thanks Tony, Dan, and Ted. As I said, I could tell because it just didn't look right but couldn't put my finger on why. Now I know.

barrysloate 05-27-2012 05:09 PM

Every one of these sellers has the same story....I took them to an expert, he guaranteed they were real, therefore you're an idiot for telling me they're fake. It's a broken record with these guys.

GoldenAge50s 05-27-2012 06:17 PM

For what it's worth, I reported them both.

Edwolf1963 05-27-2012 06:28 PM

Reports sent
 
Same here, reported both cards

danmckee 05-27-2012 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exhibitman (Post 997752)
Unfortunately, no one has ever gone broke underestimating the intelligence of the American consumer, which makes regulation necessary, even though anyone stupid enough to buy a clear fake with an impossible back simply should not be buying raw T206s at all.

Adam, they shouldn't be buying PSA graded ones either as SCP has had a few graded impossible back combinations in their last 2 auctions.

danmckee 05-27-2012 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leon (Post 997761)
Does it have to be "either or" or could it be "and" ?


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Well played my friend! :)

Mdoe 05-27-2012 08:09 PM

E90 Cobb reprint
 
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In addition to Ted's post #13 in this thread-- my Cobb reprint is slightly different. There is no C but the word reprint is at the bottom center on the back. Compare the listed Cobb with the attached pic-- especially the border above "Ty" and the "tr" in Detroit-- the fading is the same. Also look at the fading around the bat. The listing matches my reprint-- clearly a fake.

Sorry for the large whitespace in the image-- my first image post.

tbob 05-27-2012 09:43 PM

Almost every single E90-1 reprint (including Cobb) which you see on ebay will have a smudge or tiny paper loss where the "20" is on the back. That is the dead give away. The faked aging and wrong coloration are just icing on the cake.

Sterling Sports Auctions 05-27-2012 09:52 PM

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Lee

Pat R 05-28-2012 04:24 AM

They are gone good job guys!!! along with the impossible fb on the johnson
there was no factory on the card.

kcohen 05-28-2012 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pat R (Post 997867)
They are gone good job guys!!! along with the impossible fb on the johnson
there was no factory on the card.

I clicked on the links and they are still there, with the WaJo ending with no bids and Cobb being shown as SOLD. Someone will obviously get hosed if this transaction is not somehow preempted. Or best case, the one bid is a shill.

npa589 05-28-2012 05:26 PM

Well, I contacted him a day or so ago as well, twice, letting him know they were fakes. He didn't respond. I think it's safe to say that he had plenty of notice.

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