1933 Goudey Baseball Cards: Ruth, Gehrig, Foxx, & Ott - Are these Legit or Fakes?
 

I have come across a seller looking to unload some 1933 Goudey baseball cards. There are 75 total in the lot, but mostly commons. However, he does have a few "eye openers." I have used all the resources I could find on the web to determine if these are real or counterfeits. Based on the ink red bleed-through from the "gum" banner and misalignment of the banner, I think these are good. However, I am not the greatest on this sort of thing and I am seeking support from the forum here. I have posted some high res scans below. For those who have a history purchasing raw cards of this caliber, please chime in on their likely legitimacy. Thank you. Meatloaf

Note: I have placed a similar request for help in other forums, but I figure you guys know pre-war better than anyone.

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At first glance, they look legit to me.

Look good to me.

Authentic!

Lovely Day...

Being an owner of some 33 goudeys they look completely legit to me when I compare what I own.

Agreed. Look fine.

First, thank you to all for your solid opinions. I value you them greatly and they has enlightened me. I am more of a modern collector, so when I stumbled upon these pre-war cards, I really didn't know what I was looking at. Anyway, I am going to move forward with a deal to obtain the cards. Hopefully I can get the right price. The seller seems fair and understands the condition of the cards shall drive the price, not some “book value.”

Second, I have a follow up question. As a modern collector, I have used PSA and BGS for my card grading needs. I went to PSA a lot because I used to get great rates for bulk orders (1000+ cards submitted at once for grading = $4 per card). For BGS, I went to them anytime I needed a thick relic card graded because I hate the PSA oversized holders for large relics. Anyway, I have heard SGC may be the best company for grading when dealing with pre-war cards in order to max long term value. So…

-What are your opinions here on this issue?

-What company would you recommend for grading if the goal is to max out long term value?

Thank you again.

Meatloaf

And another follow on question, what would these things graded out as in your opinion? How would SGC or PSA tread the ruth card with the off center printing on the back? Meatloaf

Very nice collector grade cards

I concur, these seem to be very nice looking for the grade, lower end collector grade cards.

http://www.auctionzip.com/cgi-bin/auctionview.cgi?lid=1046734&fe=251639&txtSearchKey w
 

looks like these 33's along with some other interesting memorabilia just hit the auction block
http://www.auctionzip.com/cgi-bin/au...SearchRadius=0

Yup, those appear to be them. He said he may auction them. Oh well. The autos are all 100% junk. The ACE certs are a joke and the stuff w/o COAs is clearly not legit. That is what scared me about the cards...their possible links to this other junk...and why I originally did not make an offer.

Meatloaf

These look good, but I've seen better fakes of '33 Goudeys than I have of any other issue. I'm incredibly leery of buying raw Goudeys without seeing them in hand first.