1911-16 T216 (Mino) - "thin stock" myth
 

The T216 series is one of my favorite sets even though there is much information we still have to learn about it. That being said there was a recent auction where a T216 Mino Cigarette card was listed as having a gloss-less front and thin paper stock. I would like to know if anyone on the board has ever personally seen/held a thin stock Mino? Also, though I think a card without gloss could have just had the gloss coating process skipped, same question there. Anyone seen/held one without gloss? I asked the person who wrote the auction description where he got the info and he said the Krause SCD. I asked Bob L (hi Bob) about it and I believe he said something to the effect (correct me if I am wrong Bob) that he doesn't remember where the information came from but didn't I see the write up in said auction, sort of corroborating it? The proverbial cat could be chasing his tail here :). Personally I have not seen any thin ones (always thought it a hobby myth but I have been wrong before) and haven't noticed non-glossy ones. With the information currently available I feel the "thin" type Mino should be taken out of the book until one is confirmed. I realize there are similar situations with several other cards and card sets but this thread is about T216. regards

not an expert
 

I am not an expert on Minos by a long shot----I do own roughly 25 or so----but I have not noticed different types either. The "thin" description puzzled me as well.

I dont have anything to add on this subject, but I wanted to throw this out there. How in the hell is that Gibson a 3? Looks like a 5 on a bad day.

The Kottons with the larger scroll on back are thin and the VE backs are thin, but never seen a thin Mino either.

Lipsets books actually mentions that Minos havent been found in thin (yet), and that VE havent been found in anything but thin.

hopefully the guide will change.....
 

Hopefully the SCD will change their description. My experience, and everyone else's I know of, is the same as yours Frank. Minos are on thicker stock....there might have been an anomaly where gloss wasn't put onto one or some but they should have gloss. The VE's are all on thin stock as well as the larger lettered Kotton's. I call those type 3's. All of the rest of the T216s are on thick stock as other series of cards are. It has been a bit of a a head shaker every time I see the descriptions stating otherwise. regards

I've only handeld and seen a few in my collecting days, but I have never noticed a thin stock...

Leon where do you think this came from back in the day?

Cheers,

John

good question
 

Lipset delineates the sets correctly in his Encyclopedia. He says the larger captioned Kotton and the Virginia Extra are on thin stock. He does mention the glossy vs non-glossy issue also. I feel the "thin" paper stock error relating to Mino probably started with information given to the folks at Krause. I think as time has gone on, and the information age becomes even more mature, we will see certain hobby myths be corrected. I have a 1997 Standard Catalog Big Book in front of me (it was my first one) and it gives a blanket statement of all of the T216's coming in thin or thick stock and glossy or non glossy. That is the first instance of the information I can find though there could be (and probably are) earlier accounts of the misinformation. My hope is that the info in the Big Book will be changed until, at a minimum, we see at least 1 of the thin stock Minos. And not to go back to the T206 board debacle but it's the same thing here. It seems like these information errors should be corrected instead of perpetuated. regards

Makes sense to me...

Leon, FWIW, the first edition of the Standard Catalog (in 1988) carries the same blanket description about t216s, so it goes back even further.

thanks
 

Thanks Todd.....I figured it went back further. So for the past 23 yrs, and counting, the Krause SCD has spread the word :).