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Teach me about T-206 back variations>>
Perhaps this isn't such an easy answer! :eek:
I'm 35 and got into pre war collecting about a year ago after a lifetime of modern (or what *was* modern when I was a kid) I'm building a Phillies T 206 set and am at 8 now in sgc 40 slabs. My question is: Is there a specific pattern in back variations? Are there only specific cards that have the serious SP backs? Do all fronts have all backs? For instance, does someone like Otto Knabe have Piedmont, Polar Bear, Hindu, Sweet Corporal....ect? Or are there specific back checklists only for specific players? Also, are there, generally speaking of course, ratios of known cards across the board per back variation? Thanks for any help. I think this thread could be a huge help to many and perhaps I asked too much! I do have a few variations and would like to complete my Phillies set, in time, with all the possible backs (within reasonable cost parameters ) |
Hi Terry - There isn't a simple explanation for which players are available with each back but to answer one of your questions all fronts are not found with all backs.
My suggestion would be to first read Scot Reader's Inside T206 and then get a copy of Bill Brown's Super Set spread sheet. These two things will be a huge help towards better understanding which fronts are available with which backs. If you have any specific questions about your Phillies set PM or email me and I'll be happy to help if I can. |
Lance,
If you type in FYI into the search function,you will come across the threads TedZ put together. Each thread has a working checklist for each type of back. These are very informative threads and will give you a better understanding of how the backs relate to each other. Tony |
Scot Reader's "Inside T206"
Here's the link to Scot's "Inside T206" that Tim referred to above.
http://www.t206.org/dl/InsideT206-Ce...al-edition.pdf Best Regards, Craig |
Front/back combos of T206 Phillies cards
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well its hard to teach when we are still learning but we will share what we have figured out so far.
Magie is your only 150 only and will only be found with Piedmont 150. The rest you are going to have to do some homework. You need to figure out what series each player/pose is in and then figure out what backs are in that series. The information is in Scots book. It would also be helpful if you could pick up Heitman's The Monster there are plenty here to help if you get hung up. |
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That book is great and hats off to the author! I just sat here and read the whole thing through :) Wp |
My spreadsheet shows these as confirmed...
My spreadsheet shows these front/back combinations available for the Philadelphia NL team. 14 Fronts, 148 Front/Back combinations. There may be a few errors but this should give you an idea as to what could be acquired. As for cost, others can share that information or you can spend some time at the www.t206.org page running the various front/back combos through the valuation calculator. This will give you a rough idea what some of the backs will cost.
KITTY BRANSFIELD HINDU, BROWN KITTY BRANSFIELD OLD MILL KITTY BRANSFIELD PIEDMONT 150 KITTY BRANSFIELD TOLSTOI KITTY BRANSFIELD SOVEREIGN 150 KITTY BRANSFIELD SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 25 KITTY BRANSFIELD SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 30 KITTY BRANSFIELD SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 649 KITTY BRANSFIELD PIEDMONT 350 KITTY BRANSFIELD SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 25 KITTY BRANSFIELD SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 30 HARRY COVALESKI EL PRINCIPE DE GALES HARRY COVALESKI OLD MILL HARRY COVALESKI PIEDMONT 150 HARRY COVALESKI SOVEREIGN 150 HARRY COVALESKI SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 25 HARRY COVALESKI SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 30 HARRY COVALESKI PIEDMONT 350 HARRY COVALESKI SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 25 HARRY COVALESKI SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 30 RED DOOIN EL PRINCIPE DE GALES RED DOOIN OLD MILL RED DOOIN PIEDMONT 150 RED DOOIN SOVEREIGN 150 RED DOOIN SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 25 RED DOOIN SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 30 RED DOOIN PIEDMONT 350 RED DOOIN SOVEREIGN 350 RED DOOIN SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 30 MICKEY DOOLAN FIELDING AMERICAN BEAUTY FRAMED 350 MICKEY DOOLAN FIELDING BROAD LEAF 350 MICKEY DOOLAN FIELDING CYCLE 350 MICKEY DOOLAN FIELDING EL PRINCIPE DE GALES MICKEY DOOLAN FIELDING PIEDMONT 350 MICKEY DOOLAN FIELDING SOVEREIGN 350 MICKEY DOOLAN FIELDING SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 25 MICKEY DOOLAN FIELDING SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 30 MICKEY DOOLAN FIELDING TOLSTOI MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING AMERICAN BEAUTY NO FRAME 350 MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING DRUM MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING EL PRINCIPE DE GALES MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING OLD MILL MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING PIEDMONT 350 MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING POLAR BEAR MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING SOVEREIGN 350 MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 25 MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 30 MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING TOLSTOI MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING BROAD LEAF 460 MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING CYCLE 460 MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING PIEDMONT 460 Fact 25 MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING PIEDMONT 460 Fact 42 MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING SWEET CAPORAL 460 Fact 25 MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING SWEET CAPORAL 460 Fact 42 MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING HINDU, RED MICKEY DOOLIN EL PRINCIPE DE GALES MICKEY DOOLIN PIEDMONT 150 MICKEY DOOLIN SOVEREIGN 150 MICKEY DOOLIN SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 25 MICKEY DOOLIN SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 30 MICKEY DOOLIN PIEDMONT 350 MICKEY DOOLIN SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 25 MICKEY DOOLIN SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 30 FRED JACKLITSCH OLD MILL FRED JACKLITSCH PIEDMONT 150 FRED JACKLITSCH SOVEREIGN 150 FRED JACKLITSCH SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 25 FRED JACKLITSCH SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 30 FRED JACKLITSCH PIEDMONT 350 FRED JACKLITSCH SOVEREIGN 350 FRED JACKLITSCH SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 25 FRED JACKLITSCH SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 30 OTTO KNABE AMERICAN BEAUTY FRAMED 350 OTTO KNABE BROAD LEAF 350 OTTO KNABE CYCLE 350 OTTO KNABE DRUM OTTO KNABE PIEDMONT 350 OTTO KNABE SOVEREIGN 350 OTTO KNABE SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 25 OTTO KNABE SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 30 OTTO KNABE TOLSTOI SHERRY MAGEE PORTRAIT HINDU, BROWN SHERRY MAGEE PORTRAIT EL PRINCIPE DE GALES SHERRY MAGEE PORTRAIT OLD MILL SHERRY MAGEE PORTRAIT PIEDMONT 150 SHERRY MAGEE PORTRAIT SOVEREIGN 150 SHERRY MAGEE PORTRAIT SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 25 SHERRY MAGEE PORTRAIT SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 30 SHERRY MAGEE PORTRAIT PIEDMONT 350 SHERRY MAGEE PORTRAIT SOVEREIGN 350 SHERRY MAGEE PORTRAIT SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 25 SHERRY MAGEE PORTRAIT SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 30 SHERRY MAGIE MAGEE PIEDMONT 150 SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT AMERICAN BEAUTY NO FRAME 350 SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT DRUM SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT EL PRINCIPE DE GALES SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT OLD MILL SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT PIEDMONT 350 SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT POLAR BEAR SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT SOVEREIGN 350 SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 25 SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 30 SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT TOLSTOI SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT BROAD LEAF 460 SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT CYCLE 460 SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT LENOX, BLACK SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT PIEDMONT 460 Fact 25 SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT PIEDMONT 460 Fact 42 SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT SWEET CAPORAL 460 Fact 25 SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT SWEET CAPORAL 460 Fact OS SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT HINDU, RED GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT AMERICAN BEAUTY NO FRAME 350 GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT DRUM GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT EL PRINCIPE DE GALES GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT OLD MILL GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT PIEDMONT 350 GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT POLAR BEAR GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT SOVEREIGN 350 GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 25 GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 30 GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT TOLSTOI GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT LENOX, BLACK GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT PIEDMONT 460 Fact 25 GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT PIEDMONT 460 Fact 42 GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT SWEET CAPORAL 460 Fact OS GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT UZIT GEORGE McQUILLAN BALL IN HAND HINDU, BROWN GEORGE McQUILLAN BALL IN HAND OLD MILL GEORGE McQUILLAN BALL IN HAND PIEDMONT 150 GEORGE McQUILLAN BALL IN HAND SOVEREIGN 150 GEORGE McQUILLAN BALL IN HAND SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 25 GEORGE McQUILLAN BALL IN HAND SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 30 GEORGE McQUILLAN BALL IN HAND SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 649 GEORGE McQUILLAN BALL IN HAND PIEDMONT 350 GEORGE McQUILLAN BALL IN HAND SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 25 GEORGE McQUILLAN BALL IN HAND SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 30 JOHN TITUS AMERICAN BEAUTY FRAMED 350 JOHN TITUS BROAD LEAF 350 JOHN TITUS CAROLINA BRIGHTS JOHN TITUS CYCLE 350 JOHN TITUS DRUM JOHN TITUS EL PRINCIPE DE GALES JOHN TITUS OLD MILL JOHN TITUS PIEDMONT 350 JOHN TITUS POLAR BEAR JOHN TITUS SOVEREIGN 350 JOHN TITUS SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 30 |
Book
I must say I had never seen the book before this evening. I have been collecting T-206's for 35 years and love this checklist. I have just acquired a collection with some rare backs and will be checking to see how everything unfolds. My first Uzit, Lenox Brown and Lenox Black backs !!
Gradedcardman-Adam |
Wow, everyone in this thread was such a huge help!
I must say the vintage guys are much quicker to share! Thank you all. I think I will pick up a copy of that book via amazon and that checklist posted and the links are MOST appreciated! |
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bet your pm box got hammered after that post.
I would like to see some scans of those tough backs-here or stemmers37@att.net |
A few more questions for you guys......
The Sweet Caporal backs..factory 25 and 30....is one rarer than the other? And the Piedmont backs with 150 subjects and the 350 subjects.....again does one have a shorter print run than the other? |
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Sweet Cap 25's are tougher to find than 30's and Piedmont 350's are the most common back. |
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Dahlen Boston Ewing Ganley Tom Jones St Louis Karger Lindaman Lundgren Chicago Mullin Horizontal Schulte Front View Best Regards, Craig |
Hey there
Send me a note if you'd like -- I have a fairly robust collection of T206 Phillies with different backs. Good luck on your collection! It's fun to put together!
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Tough back posts
I am going to post pics of the Uzit and Lenox backs this weekend. Going to go after this set one more time and hope to be able to hang on to it !!
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PM sent, Terry. Love to hear more about your collection! Cheers |
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