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insidethewrapper 05-26-2010 08:24 AM

Legendary Auctions Does it Right !
 
The 30-minute rule is great . I was able to go to bed at 11:30pm
EDT ( 10:30 Central) because the lot closed at this time due to no bids for 30 minutes. I didn't have to stay up all night because someone bids on another "lot". I wish all auctions would be conducted this way. thanks

Rob D. 05-26-2010 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by insidethewrapper (Post 812040)
The 30-minute rule is great . I was able to go to bed at 11:30pm
EDT ( 10:30 Central) because the lot closed at this time due to no bids for 30 minutes. I didn't have to stay up all night because someone bids on another "lot". I wish all auctions would be conducted this way. thanks

I think many bidders share your view. Consignors, maybe not so much. Every auction has two sides to it. (Sometimes three.)

Jim VB 05-26-2010 08:32 AM

As a buyer, there is no doubt the way you describe is preferable.

As a consigner, not so much.

Auctions houses should, and for the most part, do, cater to consigners. If they don't, their supply dries up and moves elsewhere.


(Edited to add: As a professional, Rob D types faster than I do. Plus that time zone thing!)

Orioles1954 05-26-2010 09:05 AM

Legendary and others who follow this popular "ending policy" have Huggins and Scott to thank for implementing it. By the way, we have an auction ending tonight and tomorrow too :)

Rob D. 05-26-2010 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orioles1954 (Post 812051)
Legendary and others who follow this popular "ending policy" have Huggins and Scott to thank for implementing it. By the way, we have an auction ending tonight and tomorrow too :)

I'm sure most collectors, when clicking with their mouse to place a bid, say a silent "thank you" to H&S.

perezfan 05-26-2010 09:19 AM

As a consignor, I was indeed disappointed.

I also don't understand why these auctions are all clustered together like this. Can they not make a simple phone call to their counterparts, to try to space these things apart? You can go several weeks with no auctions closing, and then 4-5 auctions will close over the same couple of nights. This has to impact their prices realized in a negative way.

Orioles1954 05-26-2010 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob D. (Post 812056)
I'm sure most collectors, when clicking with their mouse to place a bid, say a silent "thank you" to H&S.

They do, they do, they do :)

Matt 05-26-2010 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 812058)
As a consignor, I was indeed disappointed.

No doubt, they did not realize strong prices on many lots last night.
November 2009, $1303:
http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...01636a_lg.jpeg

Last Night, $830:
http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...08566a_lg.jpeg

Bicem 05-26-2010 09:38 AM

$1300 seems pretty high for a PSA 2! Last night's price seems more realistic - great card btw! My fav. Ruth.

oldjudge 05-26-2010 10:16 AM

Their Old Judge prices were quite strong. I believe that their closing method is the best in the industry.

Jim VB 05-26-2010 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldjudge (Post 812094)
Their Old Judge prices were quite strong. I believe that their closing method is the best in the industry.



Jay,

I agree that from a bidder's point of view, this way is the most convenient. But compared to REA, for example, this way may leave some money on the table.

On a lot I won in REA, I was 100% at my limit. I would not have gone one bid more. Had I been outbid, I would have walked. But I knew exactly which 3 lots I would have moved that money to.

Using the Legendary method, those lots might have already been closed. If that were the case, I would not have spent that money, and consigners somewhere would have been poorer.

glchen 05-26-2010 10:40 AM

The 33 Goudey complete set (239) went for $35K (41,475 including BP) in medium grade, which seems pretty high.

oldjudge 05-26-2010 12:12 PM

Jim--I understand what you are saying. I decide before the auction's last day which lots I will bid on. If I am knocked out on these lots I don't reallocate to others. I just stop. In REA I stay up to the bitter end so, for my purchases, the method of closing does not make a difference. In some other auctions that end at one time I don't bid on lots that I might otherwise bid on if the lots closed individually because I won't leave an up to with them and I won't stay up all night due to the lower-than-REA quality of material. In those auctions the "all lots close together" procedure actually reduces what I spend.

DaveH 05-26-2010 01:04 PM

Matt,
I bought that same Ruth PSA 2 with scratches from an auction in February for $479. Who would pay over $1300 in November and turn around and sell it on CCSA for $479 in February? Yes, that CCSA.

dh

Matt 05-26-2010 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Haas (Post 812191)
Matt,
I bought that same Ruth PSA 2 with scratches from an auction in February for $479. Who would pay over $1300 in November and turn around and sell it on CCSA for $479 in February? Yes, that CCSA.

dh

:eek:

Exhibitman 05-26-2010 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Haas (Post 812191)
Matt,
Who would pay over $1300 in November and turn around and sell it on CCSA for $479 in February?

dh

If it was a stock I'd say me.

bobbyw8469 05-27-2010 09:41 AM

I agree as well.....no need to stay up ALL freaking night to have West Coasters keep sniping the lots in the wee hours of the morning.....basically, you are telling the bidders to s*** or get off the pot!!! I loved it!!!!

glynparson 05-27-2010 10:51 AM

I think its a poor policy
 
I know I will never consign to legendary again.

cbcbcb 05-27-2010 11:21 AM

I think the item I won last night would have gone a lot higher if Legendary had the rule that takes bidding into the wee hours of the morning. The signed item I got went for about the same on ebay about 5 months ago, so the consignor must have lost money.

oldjudge 05-27-2010 11:51 AM

I think Legendary ran a good auction. Some items went stronger than one might have expected, some weaker, just like any other auction. The bitching so far could be applied to any auction. Things appear to be now working well at Legendary and they are becoming a significant auction house.

Rob D. 05-27-2010 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldjudge (Post 812570)
Things appear to be now working well at Legendary and they are becoming a significant auction house.

No one person, no matter how much he or she might wish it to be true, can make a declaration that (insert name here) is "becoming a significant auction house."

The market and hobby will decide that.

oldjudge 05-27-2010 01:10 PM

Rob--I have no dog in this fight so I am not wishing anything, other than the normal wishing everyone well. I was expressing an opinion. Anyone can make that statement, we are not in North Korea. You may disagree and that is your perogative.

glchen 05-27-2010 01:13 PM

I read that some consignors have been complaining about how Legendary ends the auctions, and have said they will chose a different auction house next time. If so, which one? The obvious is REA, but REA is only once a year, and for REA, because there are so many items in the auction, there are often multiple lots of the same item, which also drives down prices.

Rob D. 05-27-2010 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldjudge (Post 812605)
Rob--I have no dog in this fight so I am not wishing anything, other than the normal wishing everyone well. I was expressing an opinion. Anyone can make that statement, we are not in North Korea. You may disagree and that is your perogative.

I don't agree or disagree and don't really care much what happens to Legendary down the road. When they have something I want, I bid. Pretty simple.

But with all of the history there, to declare them "a significant auction house" implies that that is Legendary's status in the hobby. I just don't think someone can make that declaration.

Signed,

Rob in Haeju

barrysloate 05-27-2010 02:22 PM

See Jay, Rob is in North Korea. I think you misspoke.;)

oldjudge 05-27-2010 02:51 PM

Rob--With the material that they have offered in the last several auctions I think they are a significant auction house. They have had issues in the past which hopefully are behind them. If those type of issues arise again then they will have less consigned to them, have fewer bidders, and will not be a significant auction house. This is not a nomination for life to the Supreme Court. It is what I see today. Again, from your seat in Haeju, or on Happy Street, you may see things differently. That's fine, you're entitled to.

perezfan 05-27-2010 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glchen (Post 812606)
I read that some consignors have been complaining about how Legendary ends the auctions, and have said they will chose a different auction house next time. If so, which one? The obvious is REA, but REA is only once a year, and for REA, because there are so many items in the auction, there are often multiple lots of the same item, which also drives down prices.

Those auctions that focus most on cards include Memory Lane, Mile High Card Co, Goodwin, SCP, and B & L.

Those that focus about equally on Cards and Memorabilia include Hunt's, REA, Lelands, Clean Sweep, Heritage and Huggins & Scott.

So there are plenty of other options... and I know I omitted quite a few (sorry...)

In all fairness to Legendary, my consignments on the second night did quite well. As a consignor, I really don't like the Individual Lot closing format, but they did seem to realize some good prices in a bad economy. Although they're not anywhere near where Mastro was a few years ago, the quality of the items offered was great. I personally would classify them a "significant" auction house (uh oh - another poll coming?) :eek:

Wesley 05-27-2010 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob D. (Post 812629)
But with all of the history there, to declare them "a significant auction house" implies that that is Legendary's status in the hobby. I just don't think someone can make that declaration.



Aside from REA, which auction house sells more baseball cards?

Leon 05-27-2010 03:52 PM

total banishment
 
The word "significant" will no longer be allowed on this board. Welcome to North Korea.

Rob D. 05-27-2010 05:01 PM

"Significant" joins "Botox" on the list.

oldjudge 05-27-2010 06:38 PM

As a Yankee fan, besides Significant and Botox, can we ban BoSox?

Rob D. 05-27-2010 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldjudge (Post 812699)
As a Yankee fan, besides Significant and Botox, can we ban BoSox?

As an Indians fan, only if we can add ChiSox (and the rest of the American League, for that matter).

Jim VB 05-28-2010 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldjudge (Post 812699)
As a Yankee fan, besides Significant and Botox, can we ban BoSox?



I'm with Jay on this one!

Jim VB 05-28-2010 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob D. (Post 812705)
As an Indians fan, only if we can add ChiSox (and the rest of the American League, for that matter).

As an Indian fan, you should push for the banning of the word "baseball."


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