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jacksons 12-30-2009 03:44 PM

Help with Signature on 1953 NL Al Star Baseball
 
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Am doing some homework for a friend - he inherited this ball from a relative.

We've got all sigs identified but the bottom one on this image.

Does anyone recognize the one on the bottom?

Here's a quick link to the rosters...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Ma...r_Game#Rosters

GKreindler 12-30-2009 03:53 PM

Jacksons, I may not know who the signature belongs to, but MAN, that's a bold set of autographs!! Great piece your friend has!

perezfan 12-30-2009 04:24 PM

It's Hoyt Wilhelm (quick/sloppy version)

GoldenAge50s 12-30-2009 04:27 PM

Jacksons--

Am I right that that is a stamped signature ball?

perezfan 12-30-2009 04:30 PM

These are hand-written, and not stamped. The stamped sigs never overlap, as in this example...

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_f...ead.php?t=1124

Chris-Counts 12-30-2009 04:36 PM

It looks like Hoyt's signature was as hard to follow as his knuckler ...

jacksons 12-30-2009 04:37 PM

Thanks, Perez - that's what I thought. By process of elimination, his was one of the few not included on any of the other panels.

Thanks again.

roarfrom34 12-30-2009 04:55 PM

stamped/facsimile IMO

scgaynor 12-30-2009 06:50 PM

It is impossible to say without holding it in person, but It looks like ink, you can see some spaces where it looks like the pen skipped a bit, plus the stamp balls are usually lighter and the signatures were smaller and more consistent. There were some really nice ink pens in the early 1950's. It was called something like India ink or Indian ink or something. The pens were expensive, but they held up well.

Scott

perezfan 12-30-2009 07:05 PM

Right... India Ink. The best/boldest ink available. This ball has enough inconsistencies that I think you can easily rule out stamped sigs. The Wilhelm would not be that sloppy either, as the stamped balls used perfect exemplars.

Also, the "1953" is obviously hand-written and appears to be in the same India Ink. Just my opinion...

RichardSimon 12-31-2009 07:54 AM

Not a stamped ball, signatures overlapping is the first and most important clue.

prewarsports 12-31-2009 09:15 AM

The easiest way to make sure it is not stamped is just to see if the ball has markings. They used generic baseballs without stamp markings for the souvenir balls (fit more signatures on them that way and also they used a much cheaper ball) so if a Baseball has any Official markings on it such as the league president stamp or the Reach logo etc, then it is not a stamped souvenir ball. Looks like original ink anyways I just thought I would throw that out there.

GoldenAge50s 12-31-2009 11:39 AM

Thanks to all that cleared that up for me!

The sigs just looked so similar & uniform and that partial J on Staley looked like it went right into the stitching, which is quite often the case on facsimile balls!


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