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Pup6913 10-01-2009 09:01 PM
Have you ever bought PRO graded cards
 
I was looking for T205's and others on Ebay when I saw a T205 Cobb in a PRO Grading case as a 4. I also found a few T206's from the same seller. I checked out what they were selling and all cards are Pro Graded. I am wondering if anyone has bought one of theses cards and not had it be altered or reprints. Some of the cards look like reprints to me but what do I know, and a feedback has an Aaron Rc being returned but did not say why. Just looking for any info about this so called grading company.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1911-T205-Gold-B...d=p3911.c0.m14

http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-T206-Nap-La...d=p3911.c0.m14

http://cgi.ebay.com/T206-Fred-Merkle...d=p3911.c0.m14

http://cgi.ebay.com/1953-Topps-82-Mi...d=p3911.c0.m14

http://cgi.ebay.com/1979-O-Pee-Chee-...d=p3911.c0.m14

vintagebaseball 10-01-2009 09:10 PM
The Nap looks like a reprint. others not so sure about.

Pup6913 10-01-2009 09:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vintagebaseball (Post 753233)
The Nap looks like a reprint. others not so sure about.
Thats what I though and the Mantle and Gretsky also look funny.

Potomac Yank 10-01-2009 09:30 PM
Pro is N54 favorite grader .....
 
:D

FrankWakefield 10-01-2009 09:31 PM
Once. It was an authentic card, ok... I broke him out...

MVSNYC 10-01-2009 10:25 PM
STAY AWAY! almost always trimmed

ethicsprof 10-01-2009 10:34 PM
pro
 
never have
never will

i say run.

best,

barry

fkw 10-01-2009 10:46 PM
PRO Graded cards are usually authentic, but most of the high grade ones are trimmed.

I would love to buy low grade PRO cards because they will probably be cheaper than a raw card because of all the collectors scared of the PRO holder.

But Ive only bough PRO cards 2 times, and both were great deals.

One was a common Tango Egg card (McQuillen) I got for pennies on the $.

And the other PRO card I still have is this one below...

The slab is huge and very high quality, but its way too big for a card thats slightly larger than a Postcard.

I could use it as a cutting board!

http://centuryoldcards.com/images/proruth.jpg
1948 American Association Babe Ruth

HRBAKER 10-02-2009 07:11 AM
Pro 4 = very dull knife/scissors

buymycards 10-02-2009 07:44 AM
Scans
 
It's hard to check anything closely with the crappy scans. Why wouldn't someone selling these types of items provide decent scans? Makes me think that the seller doesn't want the cards to be scrutinized.

Rick

slantycouch 10-02-2009 10:30 AM
I've always stayed away because of horror stories of trimmed cards, but I just went to their site and was impressed/surprised by these two points:

Quote:
Originally Posted by PRO Grading Site
1. Our holders filter out 98% of the UV-A radiation that damages sports cards by causing photochemical changes, brittle cardboard, fading, and color shifts. This is accomplished with a very expensive additive which we have in our plastic. You can't see the filter, but 10 years from now a collector will know the difference by the appearance of his cards. The ones in cheap holders will have faded, while the cards in PRO holders will still look as good as they do today.

2. PRO holders are all made of optical or medical grade plastics, which are guaranteed to be free of impurities, which are permitted in all commercial plastic. We do this because we recognize that many impurities can cause spotting and color changes simply due to the chemical composition of the impurity. At PRO we don't want to be the cause of a yellow spot forming on Michael Jordan's head five years down the line.
Certainly amazed to read they use UV filtering holders.

V117collector 10-02-2009 10:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by HRBAKER (Post 753276)
Pro 4 = very dull knife/scissors
Why:cool: JUST STAY AWAY!

tbob 10-02-2009 03:35 PM
I've bought a few PRO cards over the years and they always crossed over.
PRO 6 to SGC A, PRO 8 to SGC A and PRO 7 to SGC 20.
I think the cards they grade and slab are authentic, the problem is they are almost always trimmed. When I crossed these 3over, I broke them out and submitted them raw.

Anthony S. 10-02-2009 03:39 PM
Those UV rays inside pitch black safes can be brutal.

4815162342 10-02-2009 07:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anthony S. (Post 753375)
Those UV rays inside pitch black safes can be brutal.
Yep, I was just thinking that those PRO holders would be great for protecting the cards I leave on the dash of my car.

slantycouch 10-03-2009 06:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anthony S. (Post 753375)
Those UV rays inside pitch black safes can be brutal.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4815162342 (Post 753417)
Yep, I was just thinking that those PRO holders would be great for protecting the cards I leave on the dash of my car.
Haha very true, although I know some people like to display them on wall shelves or frames.

Exhibitman 10-03-2009 06:45 AM
I purchased a few some years ago. All trimmed. Then again, so were some of the GAI slabbed cards I bought...Amazing PRO is still alive. I'd have thought that an angry mob would have encapsulated its owner in his own machine by now.

jbbama 10-03-2009 06:58 AM
......................
 
Once............ a PRO 7.5 crossed to an SGC 60. Thankfully no trimming on that one. I would be very, very careful, all above posts have merit.

Jay Wolt 10-03-2009 07:12 AM
Here's a '63 "mini" Aaron PRO 10....sold for $58 a couple of days ago.
What would a PSA-10 or SGC-98 '63 Aaron fetch?

http://i.ebayimg.com/02/!B,oDwoQ!mk~...e2Bng~~_35.JPG

Pup6913 10-03-2009 10:22 AM
Here's a '63 "mini" Aaron PRO 10....sold for $58 a couple of days ago.
What would a PSA-10 or SGC-98 '63 Aaron fetch?

According to VCP around $1500 on average for 9+ from SGC and PSA.

What a deal on that HUH:confused:

Brian Van Horn 10-03-2009 01:19 PM
Only bought one Pro graded card off eBay of a 1915 Cracker Jack Branch Rickey. It was graded EX-Mint by Pro. Not even close. It was trimmed and had some notching along the right border. I put back up on eBay noting the flaws and took a dead loss on the card.

V117collector 10-03-2009 05:37 PM
Buy the card and Not the holder. It makes sense; after all you do get a major discount with PRO:rolleyes:...

barrysloate 10-03-2009 06:10 PM
Hard to figure out what this company is all about. It's as if they got it wrong almost every time. Did they actually know that each of those high grade cards they slabbed was trimmed?

Jay Wolt 10-03-2009 06:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by barrysloate (Post 753534)
Hard to figure out what this company is all about. It's as if they got it wrong almost every time. Did they actually know that each of those high grade cards they slabbed was trimmed?
Barry their business model is quite simple...
Give the submitters what they want (high grades) and they'll be back for more
and submit more & more for favorable grades.

Edwolf1963 10-03-2009 07:42 PM
Pro
 
I've had a couple (PRO Cards), both crossed-over to SGC and both took a two grade hit - good news is they graded (as opposed to trimmed/altered).

kcohen 10-04-2009 07:06 AM
Some years back someone on this forum conducted a test by sending in a sampling of cards (10 cards I think) to PRO, most of which had been low-graded or rejected by the - shall we say - more mainstream TPGs. Maybe someone remembers who that was and the thread could be retrieved from the archives. Needless to say, the results bore out everything we've found to be true of PRO.

I guess if you really want a "mint card," PRO's the way to go.

leadoff4 10-06-2009 09:42 AM
Bought a '68 Topps Game Pete Rose PRO 6 about 6-7 years ago. Just cracked it out and sent it to PSA... it came back a 6!

kcohen 10-06-2009 03:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by leadoff4 (Post 754004)
Bought a '68 Topps Game Pete Rose PRO 6 about 6-7 years ago. Just cracked it out and sent it to PSA... it came back a 6!
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

scottglevy 10-06-2009 06:18 PM
Many, many years ago. Bought two great looking T206s. The good news was that they were authentic, the bad news was that they were trimmed.

Pup6913 10-06-2009 09:40 PM
got some pics of the cobb upclose. Top right corner trimmed and card had several creases. A grade 2 without the trim but a big fat A:( Card sold for $504. man I hope no board member got this one


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