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jimonym 06-22-2009 09:17 AM

Carolina Brights Ad - Let's See Some Carolina Brights Cards
 
Recently I came across this huge half-page ad in the Richmond <i>Times-Dispatch</i> (July 9, 1905) for Carolina Brights Cigarettes. It predates the T206 release by several years, but I thought it was cool nonetheless.

http://www.jimonym.com/CBAd.jpg

A couple things:
The Wells-Whitehead Company was acquired by the American Tobacco Company in 1903, but the change in control was kept concealed from the public. Obviously that had changed by 1910, when the manufacture of Carolina Brights cigarettes had been shifted from Wilson, NC, to the ATC’s factory in Richmond (Factory No. 25) and the brand was included in their T206 release. So this ad demonstrates one of the ATC’s favorite anti-competitive practices: the policy of disguising ownership and using smaller, controlled companies to secure for themselves the benefit of public sentiment against the Trust. The kicker here is the highlighting of union labor being used; the ATC itself was notoriously anti-union, and in response many labor unions organized boycotts of their products and/or sought to support the business of independent companies.

The Hancock Cigar Company was a Richmond wholesaler. I found also a small column on them from a week earlier in the same newspaper. It’s clear from the ad and the column that Carolina Brights was being targeted to Richmond, to Virginia, and to the Southeast region. Not sure if that geographic distribution persisted until 1910, but kind of interesting nonetheless.
http://www.jimonym.com/Hancock.jpg


<b>Anyway, let’s see some T206 Carolina Bright cards.</b>

Dustanh1 06-22-2009 09:33 AM

This should be a fun thread. Here's the only one I have; picked it up a while ago off the BST.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...6/McAleese.jpg

calvindog 06-22-2009 09:51 AM

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/2909250125/" title="T206 Dark Cap (Carolina Brights) by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3259/2909250125_2b4843ca22_o.jpg" width="900" height="760" alt="T206 Dark Cap (Carolina Brights)" /></a>

Leon 06-22-2009 09:54 AM

a few other pieces
 
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I have only 1 Carolina Brights back and the scan is in with a lot of others....here are a few envelopes though....a little bit pre-dating the cards but still neat....

tedzan 06-22-2009 12:07 PM

Carolina Brights
 
JAMIE

Great stuff....here are my last two CB's....Chase and Clymer.


<img src="http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/achasemattytinker2.jpg" alt="[linked image]">
<img src="http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/abchasemattytinker2.jpg" alt="[linked image]">
<img src="http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/acarolinabrightsclymer.jpg" alt="[linked image]">



Thanks for sharing this adv. with us.

TED Z

rustywilly 06-22-2009 03:27 PM

Jimmy Collins
 
http://www.rustywilly.com/cards/PSAC...1025_FRONT.jpg http://www.rustywilly.com/cards/PSAC...01025_BACK.jpg

sando69 06-22-2009 05:08 PM

ok... here's the requisite red cobb:


http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m...o69/img669.jpg http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m...o69/img670.jpg

toppcat 06-22-2009 05:53 PM

Snagged this on BST a while back, still one of my favorites:

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...liganfront.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...withcbback.jpg

Jacklitsch 06-22-2009 06:19 PM

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g5...y/MurrayCB.jpghttp://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g5...rayBatBack.jpg

sgbernard 06-22-2009 06:23 PM

These are great! Ted or someone else who knows, how many cards were produced with the CB back? 350? 460?

old-baseball 06-22-2009 06:29 PM

Tom Downey
 
http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...&pictureid=648

cfc1909 06-22-2009 06:35 PM

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cfc1909 06-22-2009 06:36 PM

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Brian Weisner 06-22-2009 06:43 PM

Hi guys,
Here are a few Fronts.... as the backs are all the same....

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...g/Scan0026.jpg
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...Scan0015-7.jpg
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...gan6g/059a.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...gan6g/056a.jpg


http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...gan6g/728a.jpg

Be well Brian

I have 50 different fronts with CB backs, but I don't want to hog the thread.







PS Hi Leon, I have a letter to Mr Scott too...

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...n6g/0e_1_b.jpg

cfc1909 06-22-2009 06:44 PM

Nice Brian!

Brian Weisner 06-22-2009 06:47 PM

Hi Jim,
Thanks.... Your Bender is nicer than mine......:)


Be well Brian




PS Jamie, That ad is awesome.... talk to you soon...

frohme 06-22-2009 06:53 PM

Another one - and a Pirate, imagine that.
 
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pete zouras 06-22-2009 07:51 PM

<a href="http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/zouraspm/?action=view&current=ironf.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/zouraspm/ironf.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

donmuth 06-22-2009 08:21 PM

My only Carolina Brights back...
 
Someone already posted their Collins Carolina Bright back, but since this is the only one I own I'll post it anyways.

http://www.freewebs.com/aerograd/T20...inaBrights.jpg

ethicsprof 06-22-2009 09:29 PM

KC
 
Lundgren KC.

best,

barry

mrvster 06-22-2009 10:08 PM

JIM,

WOW!!Emil Batch is sick, upside down top of the sheet!!! awesome card!!!

p.s.

i know this is a cb thread, but i couldn't resist

cfc1909 06-23-2009 05:17 AM

Thanks Johnny...:D

willworkforT206 06-23-2009 08:05 AM

Carolina Brights Ad - Let's See Some Carolina Brights Cards
 
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Those cards are tough to follow, but here are my Carolina Brights....and the perfect set-up for a quick joke!

Steve

tedzan 06-23-2009 01:51 PM

Carolina Brights
 
JAMIE H

Consider this......T206's with Carolina Brights backs would not be so elusive if that boxcar with 3 Million
cigarettes in it (300,000 packs) were shipped in 1910....instead of 1905. Did this T-brand lose it's popu-
larity by 1910 ?


SETH B

Earlier you asked how many T206 subjects are found with the CB back ?

The Carolina Brights cards were printed only in the 350 Series; therefore, 214 candidates are possible.
By the latest count....123 of the 214 have been confirmed.


Brian W. may have a more accurate account of the CB cards.

TED Z

B O'Brien 06-23-2009 07:55 PM

Carolina Chance
 
Here is my Carolina Brights.
I would love to see the Eddie Collins if anyone has the pic, or happens to know the owner!!!
Thanks,
Bob
upperhandisforemost@yahoo.com

<a href="http://s588.photobucket.com/albums/ss329/upperhandisforemost/T206%20Backs%20Line%20Current/?action=view&current=T206CBChase.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss329/upperhandisforemost/T206%20Backs%20Line%20Current/T206CBChase.jpg" border="0" alt="T206 Carolina Brights Chance"></a>

jimonym 06-24-2009 07:47 AM

Hi Ted.

No kidding, Carolina Brights would probably rival Piedmont for commonness in T206 cards. It’s always possible that Carolina Brights was just as popular in 1910 as it had been in 1905, and that the reason CB backs are tough is because ATC just didn’t include T206s with them for that long a period of time. But I think if that were the case, we’d see as many empty Carolina Brights cigarette packs floating around as we see Piedmont ones, and we clearly do not. So I think CB must have faded somewhat by 1910.

The prevalence of Piedmont might actually support that. I suspect the two brands of cigarettes were actually very similar products. In doing some research, there’s evidence that in the early 1900s the ATC used Piedmont as their “fighting brand” against Carolina Brights to try to run Wells-Whitehead out of business. They sold Piedmonts at cut-rate prices and included coupon schemes to try to get smokers to switch from Carolina Brights. Later, of course, they just bought Wells-Whitehead out. By 1910, that section of the smoking public that liked North Carolina bright leaf tobacco cigarettes might have moved on from Carolina Brights to Piedmont, or maybe slowly been pushed there by ATC.

sreader3 06-24-2009 09:31 AM

Very interesting Jamie
 
Thanks for sharing.

Scot

tedzan 06-24-2009 03:14 PM

Jamie
 
I know you are aware of the following....but, for those who aren't......

There is no doubt about it that PIEDMONT was ATC's "flagship" brand. This was certainly evident during the production of the T206's.
As we all very well know, across the various series, PIEDMONT cards were printed in much greater numbers than any of the 15 other
brands.
Furthermore, the first T206's off the presses were the PIEDMONT cards.

Most AMERICAN BEAUTY, BROAD LEAF, CAROLINA BRIGHTS, CYCLE, DRUM, most PIEDMONT, SOVEREIGN, and many SWEET CAPORAL
cigarettes are all from Factory 25 (Richmond, VA). However, this does imply that all these brands were distributed only in the South.

The following original T206 recent finds have indicated otherwise......

DRUM......St Louis
SOVEREIGN #1.....Erie, PA
SOVEREIGN #2.....Connecticut
SOVEREIGN #3.....Upstate New York



TED Z

PGACPA 06-24-2009 07:44 PM

God Bless Don Johnson
 
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don has been inactive for some time due to his mobilization from the pentagon to mosul. god bless him and thanks for this nice pickup!


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