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Posted By: <b>PASJD</b><p>OK even as a Sox fan noone is going to touch the Yankees. But for second place can you top the Giants?<br />C Bresnehan<br />1b McCovey<br />2b Frisch<br />Ss Alvin Dark (?)<br />3b Matt Williams (?)<br />Of Mays<br />Of Ott<br />Of Bonds<br />P Mathewson<br />P Hubbell<br />P Marichal<br />P G. Perry<br />res Bill Terry<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Brian H (misunderestimated)</b><p>I think the Cubs might be able to contend..... definitely not the Sox:<br /><br />Cubs (1876-Present – even better if predecessor 1871-1875 NA team included)<br />C- G Hartnett<br />1B - Cap Anson<br />2B - Hornsby (unless he can DH)/Sandberg<br />SS - Ernie Banks<br />3B - Santo<br />OF - Sosa<br />OF - B. Williams<br />OF - King Kelly (also some C)<br />P- J. Clarkson<br />P- Alexander<br />P - M. Brown<br />P - Jenkins<br />P - C. Griffith or AG Spalding (you have to include the NA or extrapolate his 1876 season)<br />RP - Sutter (Eck, Wilhelm, Gossage and Smith also played for the Cubs at one time or another)<br />U - F. Chance<br />PH - Cuyler<br />PR - B. Dahlen<br />PH (runners on base) - Hack Wilson<br />Other Defensive Subs - H. Duffy, J. Evers, J. Tinker<br />MGR - F. Chance<br /><br />ChiSox (1901-Present)<br />C - Fisk<br />1B F. Thomas (unless he can DH instead)<br />2B E.Collins<br />SS - George S Davis<br />3B - Weaver/Ventura (no one particularly good available)<br />OF - J. Jackson<br />OF - Al Simmons<br />OF - Dick Allen<br />P - Walsh<br />P - Faber<br />P- Cicotte<br />P - Lyons<br />P - Pierce/C. Griffith<br />RP - Wilhelm (or Thigpen for one season)<br />U - Minnie Minoso/Luke Appling<br />PH - Baines (of course)/Ordonez<br />PR - Raines/Aparicio<br />Other Defensive Subs - Nellie Fox, Ray Schalk & Kaat<br />MGR - No one did especially well.... Maybe Gleason, Griffith, Lopez, Fielder Jones or Tony LaRussa ???

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>C: Campanella or Piazza<br />1B: Hodges<br />2B: Gilliam<br />SS: Reese<br />3B: Robinson<br />LF: Baker<br />RF: Furillo<br />CF: Snider<br />P: Koufax<br />P: Drysdale<br />P: Vance<br />P: Sutton <br />RP: Gagne

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>c - John Edwards<br />1b - Jeff Bagwell<br />2b - Joe Morgan<br />3b - Ken Caminiti<br />ss - Dickie Thon<br />lf - Moises Alou<br />rf - Lance Berkman<br />cf - Carlos Beltran<br />p - Roger Clemens<br />p - Nolan Ryan<br />p - Randy Johnson

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Posted By: <b>Scottopotamus</b><p>I’m confident that my All-Time Padre team could give any team in the majors a run for their money. (OK, maybe not…but they might have a 50/50 shot against an All-Time Devil Ray team.) <br /><br />C Terry Kennedy<br />1B Nate Colbert<br />2B Tim Flannery<br />SS Ozzie Smith<br />3B Mike Ivie<br />OF Gene Richards<br />OF Dave Winfield<br />OF Tony Gwynn<br /><br />SP Randy Jones<br />SP Ed Whitson<br />SP Eric Show<br />SP Dave Dravecky<br />SP One of the “Andys” (Benes, Ashby, Hawkins) <br /><br /><br />RP Trevor Hoffman<br />RP Goose Gossage<br />RP Mark Davis<br />RP Rollie Fingers<br />RP Craig Lefferts<br /><br><br>Scottoptamus<br />My T206 Web Site<br /><br /><a href="http://www.freewebs.com/scottopotamus" target=_new>http://www.freewebs.com/scottopotamus</a>

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Posted By: <b>john/z28jd</b><p>Pirates<br /><br />c Kendall/Sanguillen/Pena<br />1b Stargell/Beckley<br />2b Mazeroski<br />ss Wagner/Vaughan<br />3b Traynor<br />rf Clemente<br />cf Carey/L Waner/Bonds<br />lf Paul Waner/Kiner<br /><br />Camnitz<br />Adams<br />Cooper<br />Phillippe<br />Galvin<br />Leever<br />Friend<br />Face<br />Tekulve<br />Law

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Posted By: <b>Mark</b><p>The Orioles might be second best:<br /><br />C Wilbert Robinson<br />1B Eddie Murray<br />2B Bobby Grich<br />3B Brooks (no last name needed)<br />SS Cal Ripken <br />OF Frank Robinson<br />OF Willie Keeler<br />OF Don Baylor<br />P Jim Palmer<br />P Dave McNally <br />P Mike Mussina<br />P Mike Cuellar<br /><br />Okay, technically I am mixing two franchises, but they all did play in Baltimore, and were Orioles. On the bench we have Lee May, Rafael Palmeiro, Miguel Tejada, Luis Aparicio, John McGraw, Hugh Jennings, and, as very temporary Orioles, Reggie Jackson and Robin Roberts.

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>The oldest franchise. Yes, you can actually have Spalding pitching to Javey Lopez and Jim O'Rourke backing up Hank Aaron. Spalding left the team after 1875, so technically he didn't play with them after they joined the National League.

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Posted By: <b>Julie Vognar</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/jphotos/110103_diving_prv.gif">

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Posted By: <b>Greg Ecklund</b><p>C: Mickey Cochrane<br />1B: Jimmie Foxx<br />2B: Eddie Collins <br />SS: Miguel Tejada<br />3B: Frank Baker<br />OF: Rickey Henderson<br />OF: Al Simmons<br />OF: Reggie Jackson<br /><br />SP: Lefty Grove<br />SP: Chief Bender<br />SP: Rube Waddell<br />SP: Eddie Plank<br />SP: Catfish Hunter<br /><br />RP: Dennis Eckersley<br />RP: Rollie Fingers<br /><br />Manager: Connie Mack<br />Coaches: Tony LaRussa, Dick Williams<br /><br />Bench: Mark McGwire, Jose Canseco, Napoleon Lajoie, Sal Bando

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Posted By: <b>qualitycards.com</b><p>GREG - That A's team is impressive.<br />15 Hall of Famers, incl all starters & relievers and even the manager + Mcgwire & Henderson are not eligible yet.

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>Simmons and Henderson would be fighting over who was the greatest.

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Posted By: <b>Ryan Christoff</b><p>Here's my all-time team from the Cuban League, the Santa Clara Leopardos. <br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1100028590.JPG"> <br /><br />In spite of only being in the league for 11 seasons, this team would compete with any all-time Major League team including the Yankees.<br /><br />There are 7 HOFers and another 3 with realistic chances to get in (Suttles, Marcelle, R. Brown). Maybe Bankhead, too. Here's the team:<br /><br />C – Josh Gibson<br />1b – Mule Suttles<br />2b – Frank Warfield<br />3b – Oliver “Ghost” Marcelle<br />SS – Willie Wells<br />OF – Oscar Charleston<br />OF – Turkey Stearnes<br />OF – Alejandro Oms<br />RHP – Satchel Paige<br />RHP – Martin Dihigo<br />RHP – Hilton Smith<br />RHP – Raymond Brown<br />LHP – Dave Brown<br />LHP – Luis Tiant, (Sr.)<br />LHP – Lazaro Salazar<br />LHP – Cocaina Garcia<br />U – Sam Bankhead<br /><br /><br />-Ryan<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Pcelli60</b><p>You well could have mentioned for the Giants at the top of this post..<br />Larry Doyle 2B<br />Art Fletcher SS<br />Travis Jackson SS<br />Art Devlin 3B

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Posted By: <b>Greg Ecklund</b><p>Scott,<br />Don't forget about Reggie in there too...I don't know if that outfield would be big enough to hold all those egos. <br /><br />That team would certainly have clashes, but I think the A's of the 1970's proved that you don't need team chemistry (at least off the field) to win.

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Posted By: <b>Pcelli60</b><p>Tejada over campaneris or Jack Barry?

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Posted By: <b>Chris B.</b><p><br />1B McGwire<br />2B Hornsby<br />3B Rolen<br />SS O. Smith<br /> C T. Simmons<br />OF Brock<br />OF Pujols<br />OF Musial<br />SP G.C. Alexander<br />SP B. Gibson<br />SP S Carlton<br />SP D. Dean<br />RP B. Sutter<br />Util. F Frisch

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Posted By: <b>john/z28jd</b><p>Tejada seems like an obvious choice over Barry who played just 900 games and hit 250 with 350 rbi's with the A's. Him and Campaneris are much closer, Campy did have alot more service time with the A's,but Tejada had approx 70 more rbi's in 800 less games with the team so its hard to argue that choice<br /><br />I would definitely choose Eddie Joost and possibly the immortal Chick Halloway over Barry for A's shortstops

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Posted By: <b>Pcelli60</b><p>Count some championships..Gee whiz...

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>There was a debate on the radio this weekend - who's the better catcher, Bench or Rodriguez? Bench hit HR's when they meant just a little bit more.

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Posted By: <b>Pcelli60</b><p>I have a real problem NOT seperating the Giants and Dodgers east from west..<br />My NY Giants roster. Sorry 20th Century only!!<br />Terry<br />Kelly<br />L. Doyle<br />Frish<br />Fletcher<br />T. Jackson<br />Bancroft<br />Devlin<br />Mays <br />Ott<br />Youngs<br />Donlin<br />Moore<br />Irvin<br />Bresnahan<br />Meyers<br />Mathewson<br />Wiltse<br />Marquard<br />Tesreau <br />McGinnity<br />Hubble<br />Nehf<br />And of course Mr. McGraw..

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Posted By: <b>TBob</b><p>Pitchers- Walter Johnson HOF<br /> Bert Blyleven Should be HOF<br /> Jim Kaat<br />1B- David Ortiz<br />2b- Rod Carew HOF<br />ss- Joe Cronin HOF<br />3b- Harmon Killebrew HOF<br />rf- Tony Oliva Should be HOF<br />cf- Kirby Puckett HOF<br />lf- Goose Goslin HOF<br />c- Earl Battey <br />DH- Heinie Manush HOF<br /> Sam Rice HOF<br /><br />I could have added these Twins players at the end of their careers: Paul Molitor HOF, Steve Carlton HOF, Jack Morris should be HOF, Dave Winfield HOF.

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Posted By: <b>Greg Ecklund</b><p>Campaneris would be a great choice for A's shortstop as well - he definitely beats out Tejada in versatility and speed, but Tejada's last couple years with the A's put him over the top for me. You can't really go wrong with either.<br /><br />Jack Barry is up there, but not in the same league as Campy or Tejada.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Adam, surely you stick Robinson at 2B (or Davey Lopes) and stick in Ron Cey or Beltre (I know, I know, but he did have the one greatest year an NL third baseman ever had) at third.

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Posted By: <b>steve k</b><p>I know my Phillies certainly aren't 2nd best. Actually if you included all the players who played for the Phils when they were washed up - then this Phils team could technically be 2nd best, but I think the spirit of the question should be listing players who played in their prime for the listed team. For example, Willie Mays really shouldn't be placed on an all time Mets team. So the Phillies aren't 2nd best - not yet anyway :)

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Posted By: <b>Brian H (misunderestimated)</b><p>Really the Yankees aren’t that much stronger than these other teams (except maybe in terms of depth and the Outfield); the Pitching isn’t really that great although they have a few marginal HOFers I didn’t list like Combs, Pennock, Chesbro and Hoyt.<br /><br />C YOGI/Bill Dickey <br />1B Gehrig<br />2B Lazerri<br />3B HR Baker/AROD<br />SS Jeter (Scooter ?)<br />OF Babe<br />OF Mantle<br />OF DiMaggio<br />P Ford<br />P Gomez<br />P Clemens<br />P Hunter/Guidry<br />RP Rivera/Gossage<br />PHs: Keeler/Reggie/Bernie Williams/Mattingly/Maris/Munson/Boggs/Nettles/Ruffing<br />MGR - Huggins/McCarthy/Stengel/Torre (all won multiple WSs)<br /><br />Actually the Sox (Red) might be able to beat the Giants, Cubs and A's (but probably not the Yankees)<br /><br />C Fisk<br />1B Jimmy Foxx<br />2b Bobby Doerr<br />3B Jimmy Collins/Boggs<br />SS Cronin/ Nomah<br />OF Ted Williams (DH ?)<br />OF Yaz<br />OF Speaker<br />P Cy Young<br />P Clemens<br />P Grove<br />P Ruth (no need for a DH)/Pedro/Smokey Joe Wood<br />RP Lee Smith/Sparky Lyle/Keith Foulke<br />U Harry Hooper/D. DiMaggio (Strong Defensive Subs)<br />PH/DH Manny Ramirez/Conigliaro/Ortiz/Lynn/Rice<br />MGR - Jimmy Collins/Carrigan/Terry Francona (all won the WS)<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Julie</b><p>with these teams, when 3 of us had all-time teams with both Mays and Anson. Neva happen...<br /><br />Why are these teams so much more interesting than the all-time? Something about the unity of a team, even over the years, maybe..the As, Giants and Cubs particularly impressive....<br /><br />How about Chavez on the As?

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>The "Glory of Their Times" c.d. has a story about a NY Giants team that was basically the same as the pennant winners, but sunk to the bottom because their wives were fighting in the stands.