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T206Jim 02-29-2020 06:44 AM

Tris Speaker and the 1915 Susini card mystery solved
 
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Over the years there has been debate about the 1915 Susini baseball card depicting a batter in mid-swing. The consensus has developed that it is Tris Speaker and PSA has identified the same image used for the 1934 RJ Hill card as Speaker on its flip. The dark uniform has always thrown people for a loop.

I can now positively identify the Susini and Hill cards with photographic proof. Below is a PSA Type 1 photo of Tris Speaker by Paul Thompson on February 26, 1914 at Chelsea Field in London during the White Sox / Giants game that was played there during the World Tour. Speaker played for the White Sox on the tour and donned their dark uniform. While not the exact card image it was clearly taken during the same game. Close examination shows the same marks and stains on the uniform on each image. Note the white spot on the waistline, the stain on the socks and the grey hair just below the cap edge.

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Republicaninmass 02-29-2020 06:48 AM

Thanks for posting this! Mystery solved 100 years later

NiceDocter 02-29-2020 11:59 PM

another question?
 
I agree that Speaker looks the same in both photos but where did the white chalk batters box lines go??? Maybe not the same game? Or maybe they had a practice field? still a mystery.........

sgbernard 03-01-2020 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by NiceDocter (Post 1958833)
I agree that Speaker looks the same in both photos but where did the white chalk batters box lines go??? Maybe not the same game? Or maybe they had a practice field? still a mystery.........

Agree, uniforms look like a match. But the stadium views also look different, not only the chalk lines.

T206Jim 03-01-2020 06:54 AM

Not much of a mystery there. Stadium views are taken at a 90 degree angle from each other, same wall with white cap in each. One pre-game, one later in the game when the chalk has been obliterated. Only one game played in London, and London stamping on back of photo.

TCMA 03-01-2020 08:33 AM

Jim, stadium is know as Stamford Bridge, which is the current home of Chelsea football club. Good info here:

https://www.southsidesox.com/2014/2/...ur-feb-26-1914


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Exhibitman 03-01-2020 04:30 PM

This is great stuff!

[shameless plug] I've consigned a PSA 4 Susini Speaker to the next REA. Bid hard, bid often, bid large.

DaveW 03-01-2020 08:01 PM

Nice job! Now that is a lot of foul territory!

gonzo 03-01-2020 08:13 PM

Nice!

And is that John McGraw hitting fungos in the background on the postcard.

Schlesinj 03-25-2024 03:56 PM

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Saw this listed in an eBay listing for the other card. Has anyone mentioned this or knew this?

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Gorditadogg 03-25-2024 04:18 PM

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White Sox in Ceylon, January 1914. Speaker is probably in there somewhere. Signed by Mr. Lipton Tea.

Leon 03-28-2024 12:13 PM

Nice work, Jim. Great sleuthing as usual.

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Originally Posted by T206Jim (Post 1958613)
Over the years there has been debate about the 1915 Susini baseball card depicting a batter in mid-swing. The consensus has developed that it is Tris Speaker and PSA has identified the same image used for the 1934 RJ Hill card as Speaker on its flip. The dark uniform has always thrown people for a loop.

I can now positively identify the Susini and Hill cards with photographic proof. Below is a PSA Type 1 photo of Tris Speaker by Paul Thompson on February 26, 1914 at Chelsea Field in London during the White Sox / Giants game that was played there during the World Tour. Speaker played for the White Sox on the tour and donned their dark uniform. While not the exact card image it was clearly taken during the same game. Close examination shows the same marks and stains on the uniform on each image. Note the white spot on the waistline, the stain on the socks and the grey hair just below the cap edge.

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